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Matov 28 Oct 21 2.14pm
Originally posted by DanH Do you ever interact or meet people who don’t look and sound exactly like you and grew up in different places to you Matov? Should try it sometime, you might realise that 99% of human beings are Good People no matter where they’re from or what they look like. 99%? Really? I my experience I would tend to put the figures of people I consider truly 'Good' as probably between 15-20%. With another 60-70% as being ok, depending on a variety of factors with a remaining 10-15% being downright bad. But thats not really the subject being debated is it? I am assuming that people like you feel the UK, and by default Europe and North America, would be better places with less white people living in them, as a % of the population. Because, afterall, divesity is a strength. Right? Which is what the Great Replacement is. A deliberate policy, by people in positions of political power, to ensure that this happens. With your openly admitted employment policy as a microsm of that. All I am asking is for transparency around the issue. Surely that has to be for the best? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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28 Oct 21 2.14pm

Originally posted by DanH

Do you ever interact or meet people who don’t look and sound exactly like you and grew up in different places to you Matov? Should try it sometime, you might realise that 99% of human beings are Good People no matter where they’re from or what they look like.

99%? Really?

I my experience I would tend to put the figures of people I consider truly 'Good' as probably between 15-20%. With another 60-70% as being ok, depending on a variety of factors with a remaining 10-15% being downright bad.

But thats not really the subject being debated is it?

I am assuming that people like you feel the UK, and by default Europe and North America, would be better places with less white people living in them, as a % of the population. Because, afterall, divesity is a strength. Right?

Which is what the Great Replacement is. A deliberate policy, by people in positions of political power, to ensure that this happens.

With your openly admitted employment policy as a microsm of that. All I am asking is for transparency around the issue. Surely that has to be for the best?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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DanH SW2 28 Oct 21 2.25pm
Actually really interesting debate this lads. I class you, Stirling and Hrolf as Good People, just have differing world views. None of you wish harm on anyone else, you don’t want to hurt anyone. I genuinely get why you think what you do as well. I’ve just found in my life experience so far that it’s not quite as scary and you don’t have to be as fearful of others as you all are.
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SW2 28 Oct 21 2.25pm

Actually really interesting debate this lads. I class you, Stirling and Hrolf as Good People, just have differing world views. None of you wish harm on anyone else, you don’t want to hurt anyone.

I genuinely get why you think what you do as well. I’ve just found in my life experience so far that it’s not quite as scary and you don’t have to be as fearful of others as you all are.

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Matov 28 Oct 21 2.36pm
Originally posted by DanH I genuinely get why you think what you do as well. I’ve just found in my life experience so far that it’s not quite as scary and you don’t have to be as fearful of others as you all are. Out of interest what is the historical precedent for you to base your optimism on? And lets go with this 'fear' narrative. Why should people not fear migration given the disproportionate amount of violent crime carried out by non-whites in white majority country's? Or should that just be ignored or not considered a factor at all? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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28 Oct 21 2.36pm

Originally posted by DanH

I genuinely get why you think what you do as well. I’ve just found in my life experience so far that it’s not quite as scary and you don’t have to be as fearful of others as you all are.

Out of interest what is the historical precedent for you to base your optimism on?

And lets go with this 'fear' narrative. Why should people not fear migration given the disproportionate amount of violent crime carried out by non-whites in white majority country's? Or should that just be ignored or not considered a factor at all?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 21 2.40pm
Originally posted by DanH Actually really interesting debate this lads. I class you, Stirling and Hrolf as Good People, just have differing world views. None of you wish harm on anyone else, you don’t want to hurt anyone. I genuinely get why you think what you do as well. I’ve just found in my life experience so far that it’s not quite as scary and you don’t have to be as fearful of others as you all are. I believe people's capacity to do harm to others is largely down to conditioning. I'm also sure that some take to it easier than others. Anyone who enjoys harming others needs putting down. The irony is that most normal people wouldn't get any pleasure from terminating even the most repugnant individual.
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28 Oct 21 2.40pm

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Originally posted by DanH

Actually really interesting debate this lads. I class you, Stirling and Hrolf as Good People, just have differing world views. None of you wish harm on anyone else, you don’t want to hurt anyone.

I genuinely get why you think what you do as well. I’ve just found in my life experience so far that it’s not quite as scary and you don’t have to be as fearful of others as you all are.

I believe people's capacity to do harm to others is largely down to conditioning. I'm also sure that some take to it easier than others.
Anyone who enjoys harming others needs putting down. The irony is that most normal people wouldn't get any pleasure from terminating even the most repugnant individual.

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DanH SW2 28 Oct 21 2.42pm
Originally posted by Matov Out of interest what is the historical precedent for you to base your optimism on? And lets go with this 'fear' narrative. Why should people not fear migration given the disproportionate amount of violent crime carried out by non-whites in white majority country's? Or should that just be ignored or not considered a factor at all? Of course you can fear it. If we had absolute zero immigration violent crime would still exist. Poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunities is a far bigger factor to violent crime than immigration.
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SW2 28 Oct 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by Matov

Out of interest what is the historical precedent for you to base your optimism on?

Of course you can fear it. If we had absolute zero immigration violent crime would still exist. Poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunities is a far bigger factor to violent crime than immigration.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Oct 21 2.43pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC The funny thing about it is that I could go into, for instance, incentives many EU countries started to put in place for people to have children. I'm not advocating any particular theory, except that the EUs research has demonstrated a decline in birth rates across the board. Some worse than others. Ireland is one of the better ones, but still not reproducing its own population without immigration. It's not a big stretch to see that the figures are concerning to some. Perhaps not to others. I personally feel the UK could do with a bit of a reduction in population. However, at the expense of the existing population doesn't seem the route to go down. I believe Italy has a terrible birth rate situation, which is interesting considering their staunch Catholicism. I haven't looked up the latest figures, so maybe things have improved. I doubt it though. I did wonder if there would perhaps be a post Covid baby boom, all that being locked down etc? Birth rates falling and longevity increasing has been with us for a long time now and are the primary drivers of our need for immigration. I don't see either changing, and certainly hope the second doesn't. That though is no reason to regard replacement theory as some master plan to deny "white" people their homeland. It is just a fact of life, and the extrapolations are scaremongering. So long as we manage things, all will settle down and our grandchildren will accept a new normal. Our grandparents feared immigrants taking over. They didn't, and we now accept those waves without a pause for thought. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Oct 21 2.43pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The funny thing about it is that I could go into, for instance, incentives many EU countries started to put in place for people to have children. I'm not advocating any particular theory, except that the EUs research has demonstrated a decline in birth rates across the board. Some worse than others. Ireland is one of the better ones, but still not reproducing its own population without immigration. It's not a big stretch to see that the figures are concerning to some. Perhaps not to others.
I personally feel the UK could do with a bit of a reduction in population. However, at the expense of the existing population doesn't seem the route to go down. I believe Italy has a terrible birth rate situation, which is interesting considering their staunch Catholicism. I haven't looked up the latest figures, so maybe things have improved. I doubt it though.
I did wonder if there would perhaps be a post Covid baby boom, all that being locked down etc?

Birth rates falling and longevity increasing has been with us for a long time now and are the primary drivers of our need for immigration. I don't see either changing, and certainly hope the second doesn't.

That though is no reason to regard replacement theory as some master plan to deny "white" people their homeland. It is just a fact of life, and the extrapolations are scaremongering. So long as we manage things, all will settle down and our grandchildren will accept a new normal. Our grandparents feared immigrants taking over. They didn't, and we now accept those waves without a pause for thought.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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DanH SW2 28 Oct 21 2.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I believe people's capacity to do harm to others is largely down to conditioning. I'm also sure that some take to it easier than others. Anyone who enjoys harming others needs putting down. The irony is that most normal people wouldn't get any pleasure from terminating even the most repugnant individual. Agree with this other than the ‘putting down’ part. We’re not feral dogs mate
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SW2 28 Oct 21 2.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Agree with this other than the ‘putting down’ part. We’re not feral dogs mate

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 21 2.48pm
Originally posted by DanH Agree with this other than the ‘putting down’ part. We’re not feral dogs mate Well you could lock them up forever if that makes you feel better.
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Hrolf The Ganger

28 Oct 21 2.48pm

Originally posted by DanH

Agree with this other than the ‘putting down’ part. We’re not feral dogs mate

Well you could lock them up forever if that makes you feel better.

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Matov 28 Oct 21 4.00pm
Originally posted by DanH Of course you can fear it. If we had absolute zero immigration violent crime would still exist. Poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunities is a far bigger factor to violent crime than immigration. But then surely it must follow that if we accept your reasons for violent crime, then a nations immigration policy should do as much as possible to ensure that those coming here do not fall into these categories? Hence a policy of awarding 'points' based on employbility factors/job offers, having a language qualification and so on. Not just allowing anybody to wash up on our shores, having already broken international law by not applying for asylum in the first safe country. And then strictly enforcing deportation on people whose visa's have run out and so on. Moving to a foreign country is a privilage, not a right. Effectively you are a guest and as such, should be expected to adhere to specific rules. Break those and you should expect to be ejected. No ifs nor buts. I was probably in a rare category of ardent Brexiteers in that I would have happily kept most of the 'free-movement' criteria in place for EU nationals with some specific tweeks to the rules. My issue was always with non-EU migrants, who actually cost this country money and prove a net drain on us. I can buy into a lot of the arguments around why migration can be benefical to a nation state but it has to be done in a way that benefits everybody rather than just an excuse to flood the country with cheap labour and let Government/Corporations off the hook when it comes to investing in serious long term training and education. Purposeful and selected migration, then yes, there is a definite case for but for those who are not going to be a positive net fincancial gain, then an absolute committment to both prevention of arriving in the first place along with ensuring that any who are here illegally are removed ASAP. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

28 Oct 21 4.00pm

Originally posted by DanH

But then surely it must follow that if we accept your reasons for violent crime, then a nations immigration policy should do as much as possible to ensure that those coming here do not fall into these categories?

Hence a policy of awarding 'points' based on employbility factors/job offers, having a language qualification and so on. Not just allowing anybody to wash up on our shores, having already broken international law by not applying for asylum in the first safe country. And then strictly enforcing deportation on people whose visa's have run out and so on.

Moving to a foreign country is a privilage, not a right. Effectively you are a guest and as such, should be expected to adhere to specific rules. Break those and you should expect to be ejected. No ifs nor buts.

I was probably in a rare category of ardent Brexiteers in that I would have happily kept most of the 'free-movement' criteria in place for EU nationals with some specific tweeks to the rules. My issue was always with non-EU migrants, who actually cost this country money and prove a net drain on us.

I can buy into a lot of the arguments around why migration can be benefical to a nation state but it has to be done in a way that benefits everybody rather than just an excuse to flood the country with cheap labour and let Government/Corporations off the hook when it comes to investing in serious long term training and education.

Purposeful and selected migration, then yes, there is a definite case for but for those who are not going to be a positive net fincancial gain, then an absolute committment to both prevention of arriving in the first place along with ensuring that any who are here illegally are removed ASAP.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 28 Oct 21 4.51pm
Originally posted by DanH Agree with this other than the ‘putting down’ part. We’re not feral dogs mate That was quite a good put down Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Originally posted by DanH

Agree with this other than the ‘putting down’ part. We’re not feral dogs mate

That was quite a good put down

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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DanH SW2 28 Oct 21 5.28pm
Originally posted by Matov But then surely it must follow that if we accept your reasons for violent crime, then a nations immigration policy should do as much as possible to ensure that those coming here do not fall into these categories? Hence a policy of awarding 'points' based on employbility factors/job offers, having a language qualification and so on. Not just allowing anybody to wash up on our shores, having already broken international law by not applying for asylum in the first safe country. And then strictly enforcing deportation on people whose visa's have run out and so on. Moving to a foreign country is a privilage, not a right. Effectively you are a guest and as such, should be expected to adhere to specific rules. Break those and you should expect to be ejected. No ifs nor buts. I was probably in a rare category of ardent Brexiteers in that I would have happily kept most of the 'free-movement' criteria in place for EU nationals with some specific tweeks to the rules. My issue was always with non-EU migrants, who actually cost this country money and prove a net drain on us. I can buy into a lot of the arguments around why migration can be benefical to a nation state but it has to be done in a way that benefits everybody rather than just an excuse to flood the country with cheap labour and let Government/Corporations off the hook when it comes to investing in serious long term training and education. Purposeful and selected migration, then yes, there is a definite case for but for those who are not going to be a positive net fincancial gain, then an absolute committment to both prevention of arriving in the first place along with ensuring that any who are here illegally are removed ASAP. I have very little I disagree with in that.
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DanH

SW2 28 Oct 21 5.28pm

Originally posted by Matov

I have very little I disagree with in that.

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Stirlingsays 28 Oct 21 5.57pm
Originally posted by Matov But then surely it must follow that if we accept your reasons for violent crime, then a nations immigration policy should do as much as possible to ensure that those coming here do not fall into these categories? Hence a policy of awarding 'points' based on employbility factors/job offers, having a language qualification and so on. Not just allowing anybody to wash up on our shores, having already broken international law by not applying for asylum in the first safe country. And then strictly enforcing deportation on people whose visa's have run out and so on. Moving to a foreign country is a privilage, not a right. Effectively you are a guest and as such, should be expected to adhere to specific rules. Break those and you should expect to be ejected. No ifs nor buts. I was probably in a rare category of ardent Brexiteers in that I would have happily kept most of the 'free-movement' criteria in place for EU nationals with some specific tweeks to the rules. My issue was always with non-EU migrants, who actually cost this country money and prove a net drain on us. I can buy into a lot of the arguments around why migration can be benefical to a nation state but it has to be done in a way that benefits everybody rather than just an excuse to flood the country with cheap labour and let Government/Corporations off the hook when it comes to investing in serious long term training and education. Purposeful and selected migration, then yes, there is a definite case for but for those who are not going to be a positive net fincancial gain, then an absolute committment to both prevention of arriving in the first place along with ensuring that any who are here illegally are removed ASAP. Impossible. There has never been selected immigration.....well perhaps to a limited degree the first wave in the forties (even though it wasn't necessary) but it has since been a disaster that we are told to celebrate. There is no real point arguing over migration now....it's just arguing over time....the tipping point was reached decades ago. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2021 6.00pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Oct 21 5.57pm

Originally posted by Matov

I can buy into a lot of the arguments around why migration can be benefical to a nation state but it has to be done in a way that benefits everybody rather than just an excuse to flood the country with cheap labour and let Government/Corporations off the hook when it comes to investing in serious long term training and education.

Impossible.

There has never been selected immigration.....well perhaps to a limited degree the first wave in the forties (even though it wasn't necessary) but it has since been a disaster that we are told to celebrate.

There is no real point arguing over migration now....it's just arguing over time....the tipping point was reached decades ago.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2021 6.00pm)

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