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Stirlingsays 19 Oct 21 4.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Let him post that stuff. Let others see the kind of mentality that has helped wreck this country. There really is no point arguing with irrational people. It is a waste of valuable time. The 'far right' are largely a persecuted minority. They have no power and aren't going to see any. Not in this country anyway. Most of them are largely focused on community building and survival. On the other hand what use to be considered the 'far left' now control much of the institutions and their buzz words and polices dominate the media and work policies. They are funded to the tune of millions by corporations.....They won because the elites chose them due to the 'long march'. They turned the middle class to the left out of financial inducement and by speaking the language of easy and largely cost free virtue signalling morality tales. They aren't even 'far left' anymore as they are the dominate force comprising the mainstream left.....all they have left to do is actually convince the general public to vote for them. Yet apparently weak arsed fascism is the problem.....but only if it comes with a white skin.....because apparently that manic Hitler from 75 years ago....even though Hitler killed tens of millions of Europeans and Europeans ended him. The Communist party on the other hand...whose ideology killed far more...boy Mao makes everyone else look amateur....well they get their headquarters in London (which was/is frequently visited by major figures in Labour) quite rightly suffer zero persecution and no one bats an eyelid or questions it. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2021 4.58pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Oct 21 5.28pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Regardless of the event, it's ridiculous to make Southend a city. That’s what I thought.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 7.23pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
You have now suggested that this poster would be in favour of The Holocaust and ethnic cleansing. Whatever exact words you used that is the intention of your posts. Disagreement is one thing but that is a new level Untrue. I compared the way one group made scapegoats of another with the way this poster seeks to treat all Muslims, rather target the radicalised, evil ones. That the first group's final solution was the Holocaust doesn't mean that his will replicate it, only that this attitude demands a final solution, of some kind. If that final solution requires the removal of the Islamic faith from our shores, which is what he seems to advocate, then that would equate to ethnic cleansing, either by forced conversion or removal. I have asked him to detail his plan, but have not seen it, so must assume my assumptions are broadly correct.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Oct 21 7.32pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
The Stabber A Croydon Boy. ''A neighbour where Ali grew up described him as "a friendly kid who used to kick a ball around in the street". i wonder if he ever watched Palace play and cheered us on ? Not long before there’s one from Purley. Very soon I predict. Very very soon.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 7.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Let him post that stuff. Let others see the kind of mentality that has helped wreck this country. There really is no point arguing with irrational people. It is a waste of valuable time. My "mentality" has enabled our country to become a more tolerant and inclusive place to live. One ready and able to face the realities of the world in 21st century. I spend no time at all fretting about the return of the Third Reich. It won't happen, as the majority of us reject such ideas. That's not to say that some, possibly without realising it and certainly without admitting it, harbour views that can stand comparison with some that we fought against in WW2.
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cryrst The garden of England 19 Oct 21 7.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Untrue. I compared the way one group made scapegoats of another with the way this poster seeks to treat all Muslims, rather target the radicalised, evil ones. That the first group's final solution was the Holocaust doesn't mean that his will replicate it, only that this attitude demands a final solution, of some kind. If that final solution requires the removal of the Islamic faith from our shores, which is what he seems to advocate, then that would equate to ethnic cleansing, either by forced conversion or removal. I have asked him to detail his plan, but have not seen it, so must assume my assumptions are broadly correct. Nope he hasn't indicated your presumption at all. I don't recall him requesting the removal of muslims at all. He has mentioned a moratorium on immigration. That is not at all what you are quoting. You have dropped the ball and now got your neighbours and made out its yours!
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cryrst The garden of England 19 Oct 21 8.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My "mentality" has enabled our country to become a more tolerant and inclusive place to live. One ready and able to face the realities of the world in 21st century. I spend no time at all fretting about the return of the Third Reich. It won't happen, as the majority of us reject such ideas. That's not to say that some, possibly without realising it and certainly without admitting it, harbour views that can stand comparison with some that we fought against in WW2. Well 25% of the worlds muslims want a return to sharia law and the end of the western world. How's that for a figure to mull over.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 8.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The 'far right' are largely a persecuted minority. They have no power and aren't going to see any. Not in this country anyway. Most of them are largely focused on community building and survival. On the other hand what use to be considered the 'far left' now control much of the institutions and their buzz words and polices dominate the media and work policies. They are funded to the tune of millions by corporations.....They won because the elites chose them due to the 'long march'. They turned the middle class to the left out of financial inducement and by speaking the language of easy and largely cost free virtue signalling morality tales. They aren't even 'far left' anymore as they are the dominate force comprising the mainstream left.....all they have left to do is actually convince the general public to vote for them. Yet apparently weak arsed fascism is the problem.....but only if it comes with a white skin.....because apparently that manic Hitler from 75 years ago....even though Hitler killed tens of millions of Europeans and Europeans ended him. The Communist party on the other hand...whose ideology killed far more...boy Mao makes everyone else look amateur....well they get their headquarters in London (which was/is frequently visited by major figures in Labour) quite rightly suffer zero persecution and no one bats an eyelid or questions it. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2021 4.58pm) There is some very warped thinking going on here. There are many definitions of what is meant by "far left"! The most accurate though seems this, turned up in a Google search:- "Far-left politics are politics further to the left of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political left. ... Some scholars define it as representing the left of social democracy while others limit it to anarchism, socialism, and communism (or any derivative of Marxism-Leninism)." Does anyone really think that those people running our institutions, and who work in the media, support such ideas? Whilst they might well be more liberally minded than some who post here, that is also true of the majority of people in the real world. They certainly are not anarchists or communists, and very few would even identify as socialists.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well 25% of the worlds muslims want a return to sharia law and the end of the western world. How's that for a figure to mull over. Did you pull that out of a hat, or has every Muslim actually been asked? Even if it was true, and in some places it could well be, it only goes to show the scale of the task we face. Because face it we must. There is no realistic alternative.
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georgenorman 19 Oct 21 8.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Did you pull that out of a hat, or has every Muslim actually been asked? Even if it was true, and in some places it could well be, it only goes to show the scale of the task we face. Because face it we must. There is no realistic alternative. A number of surveys in the UK indicate that around 50% of muslims in the UK would welcome sharia law. Edited by georgenorman (19 Oct 2021 8.44pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 8.45pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Nope he hasn't indicated your presumption at all. I don't recall him requesting the removal of muslims at all. He has mentioned a moratorium on immigration. That is not at all what you are quoting. You have dropped the ball and now got your neighbours and made out its yours! He said "Islamic faith has no place in this country." What other conclusion can be drawn than the one I have described? Even a moratorium on immigration is an unrealistic, self-defeating concept with repercussions likely to be far worse than any benefits. It's the knee-jerk reaction of those who see simple answers to complicated problems. Even our populist PM, who would jump at the chance of a few brownie points, hasn't suggested it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 21 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
A number of surveys in the UK indicate that around 50% of muslims in the UK would welcome sharia law. Edited by georgenorman (19 Oct 2021 8.44pm) Links please. What, by the way, do you understand by "Sharia Law"? Try reading this:-https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/in-the-news/2019/02/25/sharia-law-what-it-is-what-it-isnt-and-why-you-should-know If it helps people lead a better life, and settles disputes, where is there a problem? It can never replace our common law which is there for every citizen, regardless of their faith.
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