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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Jan 21 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Its a case of a classic over-reach by the EU. Vaccination programmes are primarily a logistics exercise but plans have to be drawn up by a region by region basis. Even a national, one size fits all approach has its drawbacks.

Demographics, infrastructure, population density, cultural expectations and a range of other factors which are best handled on a local level come into play and the EU is simply too unwieldy to coordinate all of that. The UK would probably have been better placed than most anyway but the truth is that the EU had no place in getting involved.

And now it is deep in the s***. Throw in the French no doubt trying to push their own vaccine, which I understand has been now ditched, and you have a huge mess.

Hence all the distraction with the attack on AZ.

C'est la Covid.

According to the German article the EU didn't confirm their orders until November. Now the are talking about fair access!

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jan 21 3.33pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Has the AZ been approved yet?

The final meeting is due for this Friday.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 26 Jan 21 3.42pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

I find it incredible that some countries can approve a vaccine and others not. It’s either safe or it isn’t, so why the prevarication?

 

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Matov Flag 26 Jan 21 3.45pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I find it incredible that some countries can approve a vaccine and others not. It’s either safe or it isn’t, so why the prevarication?


Because they have to take into account what 27 countries want and expect. Along with no doubt hoping they could push the French vaccine.

Thankfully the Commissioners who run the EU can be voted ou.....doh!

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 26 Jan 21 3.48pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I find it incredible that some countries can approve a vaccine and others not. It’s either safe or it isn’t, so why the prevarication?

And on the supply side - interesting for AZ get heat from the EU whilst the vaccine is still yet to be approved.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 26 Jan 21 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

And on the supply side - interesting for AZ get heat from the EU whilst the vaccine is still yet to be approved.

Indeed!

 

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The Dolphin Flag 26 Jan 21 5.31pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

The Robert Peston tweet is good reading.
The EU are absolutely about to stop Pfizer sending us what we ordered so that they can have it because they are all looking mighty stupid over there over the vaccine.
On another note - the post Brexit issues so far are all about us and them trying to make it difficult for each other rather than using common sense for the common good and the man in the street and businesses are those being worst affected.
They need to get over themselves and fast because it absolutely doesn't need to be this difficult and in the interim there are lots of Companies making financial hay from us all.

 

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Matov Flag 26 Jan 21 5.34pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin


The EU are absolutely about to stop Pfizer sending us what we ordered so that they can have it because they are all looking mighty stupid over there over the vaccine..

Be interested to see if there are any legal challenges because the contract, from what I understand, clearly makes provision for delays.

Not sure it is a great strategy over-all for the EU to start imposing controls on private companies because it is hardly encouraging for future investment.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 26 Jan 21 5.38pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

The Robert Peston tweet is good reading.
The EU are absolutely about to stop Pfizer sending us what we ordered so that they can have it because they are all looking mighty stupid over there over the vaccine.
On another note - the post Brexit issues so far are all about us and them trying to make it difficult for each other rather than using common sense for the common good and the man in the street and businesses are those being worst affected.
They need to get over themselves and fast because it absolutely doesn't need to be this difficult and in the interim there are lots of Companies making financial hay from us all.

I think some Pfizer is manufactured in Belgium, but most is produced in the US.

 

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davenotamonkey Flag 27 Jan 21 1.09am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

I think some Pfizer is manufactured in Belgium, but most is produced in the US.

Yes, for the European (not EUropean) market. But guess which company it gets vital ingredients from for the vaccince, and where is it based?

[Link]

"It will be produced at sites in the UK and US."
[Link]

This afternoon, Boris said the following. Many probably judged it as a plea. It's not, it's a threat. Emphasis my own:

“So I don't want to see restrictions on the supply of PPE, drugs or vaccines or their ingredients across borders.”

If the EU restrict exports of Pfizer, the UK should restrict exports of the high-purity lipids used in production of the Pfizer vaccine.

I literally f***ing dare them.

Meanwhile (and this is particularly important), here is Astra-Zeneca's CEO robustly rebutting the EU claims in a very in-depth interview:

[Link]

In this interview, he essentially confirms the Peston (yuk, spit) series of tweets. He also states that:

- The UK production plants are much more efficient than the Continental plants. This is because they had a 3 month headstart (why was that?) and have ironed out the kinks in production.

- The UK approach of delay between doses is, if anything, better than the existing prescription, and is definitely the best way to proceed.

- The EU does not have a legal leg to stand on in terms of litigation. But he's being kind and ascribing it to the EU being "tired and emotional".

- The agreement with UKgov was focussed on supply, not (as the case with the EU) price (given it's a non-profit venture anyway). To that end, the UK supply is safeguarded against EU actions.

 

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Matov Flag 27 Jan 21 8.14am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

This afternoon, Boris said the following. Many probably judged it as a plea. It's not, it's a threat. Emphasis my own:

“So I don't want to see restrictions on the supply of PPE, drugs or vaccines or their ingredients across borders.”

If the EU restrict exports of Pfizer, the UK should restrict exports of the high-purity lipids used in production of the Pfizer vaccine.

I literally f***ing dare them.

Meanwhile (and this is particularly important), here is Astra-Zeneca's CEO robustly rebutting the EU claims in a very in-depth interview:

[Link]

In this interview, he essentially confirms the Peston (yuk, spit) series of tweets. He also states that:

- The UK production plants are much more efficient than the Continental plants. This is because they had a 3 month headstart (why was that?) and have ironed out the kinks in production.

- The UK approach of delay between doses is, if anything, better than the existing prescription, and is definitely the best way to proceed.

- The EU does not have a legal leg to stand on in terms of litigation. But he's being kind and ascribing it to the EU being "tired and emotional".

- The agreement with UKgov was focussed on supply, not (as the case with the EU) price (given it's a non-profit venture anyway). To that end, the UK supply is safeguarded against EU actions.

A really interesting and insightful couple of days here. Essentially the EU tried to bully AZ and it stood up to them, along with the UK playing it all rather laid back.

But it essentially boils down to why the EU are so threatened by the UK it cannot control. The UK can act faster and more decisively.

One of the many reasons why I have always struggled to understand why Remoaners were/are so in thrall to the EU is that it is a s*** organisation. Badly managed, staffed with utter incompetents and generally just rubbish. Look at that utter farce with the entire circus having to up sticks every month and move to Strasbourg for 4 days.

Perhaps you could make a weak argument for perhaps having a second parliament building out to the east by way of trying to promote a sense of cohesion but Strasbourg? Effectively just down the road from Brussels. Utterly ludicrous and whilst in the bigger scheme of things the cost is trifling, in terms of the symbolism, the kind of crap you would not make up in fiction.

I have always said that there is an argument to be made for a federalised Europe. And that I am all ears. But the EU needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. With a completely different political class at the helm. Not this bunch of third rate left-wing bureaucrats.


 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jan 21 9.14am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Yes, for the European (not EUropean) market. But guess which company it gets vital ingredients from for the vaccince, and where is it based?

[Link]

"It will be produced at sites in the UK and US."
[Link]

This afternoon, Boris said the following. Many probably judged it as a plea. It's not, it's a threat. Emphasis my own:

“So I don't want to see restrictions on the supply of PPE, drugs or vaccines or their ingredients across borders.”

If the EU restrict exports of Pfizer, the UK should restrict exports of the high-purity lipids used in production of the Pfizer vaccine.

I literally f***ing dare them.

Meanwhile (and this is particularly important), here is Astra-Zeneca's CEO robustly rebutting the EU claims in a very in-depth interview:

[Link]

In this interview, he essentially confirms the Peston (yuk, spit) series of tweets. He also states that:

- The UK production plants are much more efficient than the Continental plants. This is because they had a 3 month headstart (why was that?) and have ironed out the kinks in production.

- The UK approach of delay between doses is, if anything, better than the existing prescription, and is definitely the best way to proceed.

- The EU does not have a legal leg to stand on in terms of litigation. But he's being kind and ascribing it to the EU being "tired and emotional".

- The agreement with UKgov was focussed on supply, not (as the case with the EU) price (given it's a non-profit venture anyway). To that end, the UK supply is safeguarded against EU actions.

The EU is not thinking but reacting emotionally.

If they interfere with the legal business of the drug companies all it will do is signal that it is better to set up in the UK. They will become anti business.

 


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