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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 18 Feb 19 7.55pm
I'm late to the party, but the phrase "you made your bed, lie in it" comes to mind. I have nothing else to add. La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 18 Feb 19 7.55pm

I'm late to the party, but the phrase "you made your bed, lie in it" comes to mind.

I have nothing else to add.

La la la your mum

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PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Feb 19 11.47pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I'm late to the party, but the phrase "you made your bed, lie in it" comes to mind. I have nothing else to add. a 50 year bed at Guantanamo , i would add. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by madcap_v2

I'm late to the party, but the phrase "you made your bed, lie in it" comes to mind.

I have nothing else to add.

a 50 year bed at Guantanamo , i would add.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Matov 19 Feb 19 2.17am
She is a British citizen and as such should be allowed back in the country. She should immediately be arrested and investigated for possible crimes she may have committed. I would like to see her held on remand until such time she is either cleared of any wrong doing or shown not to be a threat to the public with her baby becoming a ward of court with those as preconditions for the necessary arrangements to be made for her return. I fully understand why people are so angry with her and she is clearly doing herself no favours but we have a legal system and she needs to be tested by that process. The whole point of destroying IS is that we hold ourselves to much more rigourous and demanding standards of behaviour and if we let those go, we are handing them a victory. If she had been killed by coalition forces then I would have shed no tears. She chose to support an organisation that was intent on killing British people and whilst under the umbrella of their jurisdiction, fair game. But that is over. She was born in the UK and has the same coloured passport as mine. I want her tried and hopefully convicted. But I refuse to stoop to the level of those she supported, no matter how tempting that might be. We have to hold ourselves to higher standards. Otherwise all is lost. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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19 Feb 19 2.17am

She is a British citizen and as such should be allowed back in the country. She should immediately be arrested and investigated for possible crimes she may have committed. I would like to see her held on remand until such time she is either cleared of any wrong doing or shown not to be a threat to the public with her baby becoming a ward of court with those as preconditions for the necessary arrangements to be made for her return.

I fully understand why people are so angry with her and she is clearly doing herself no favours but we have a legal system and she needs to be tested by that process. The whole point of destroying IS is that we hold ourselves to much more rigourous and demanding standards of behaviour and if we let those go, we are handing them a victory.

If she had been killed by coalition forces then I would have shed no tears. She chose to support an organisation that was intent on killing British people and whilst under the umbrella of their jurisdiction, fair game.

But that is over. She was born in the UK and has the same coloured passport as mine. I want her tried and hopefully convicted. But I refuse to stoop to the level of those she supported, no matter how tempting that might be.

We have to hold ourselves to higher standards. Otherwise all is lost.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 19 Feb 19 2.39am
Originally posted by Matov We have to hold ourselves to higher standards. Otherwise all is lost. You think Britain was created and run by lawyers and bureaucrats or something? Nations were built and maintained in blood. By the past figurative and sometimes real sacrifice of hard men in the mud.....not some of the excuses we have passing for them today. Personally I resent being told that we have to pay tax monies to provide resources for the upkeep of those who sleep with....and agree with the enemy. She broke the social compact with her nation when she chose to support the death of its troops. She should never see its ground again. Her child is part Dutch, let the Netherlands take her. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 2.39am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Feb 19 2.39am

Originally posted by Matov

We have to hold ourselves to higher standards. Otherwise all is lost.

You think Britain was created and run by lawyers and bureaucrats or something?

Nations were built and maintained in blood. By the past figurative and sometimes real sacrifice of hard men in the mud.....not some of the excuses we have passing for them today.

Personally I resent being told that we have to pay tax monies to provide resources for the upkeep of those who sleep with....and agree with the enemy.

She broke the social compact with her nation when she chose to support the death of its troops. She should never see its ground again.

Her child is part Dutch, let the Netherlands take her.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 2.39am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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dannyboy1978 19 Feb 19 6.47am
She should be done for terrorism like this guy [Link]
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dannyboy1978

19 Feb 19 6.47am

She should be done for terrorism like this guy
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CPFC1965 Warrington 19 Feb 19 9.17am
The last time I checked, you had to pay to catch a flight to Turkey, it's not provided free of charge by the government. If her family want her to return they can do what everyone else does and pay the fare. What happens to her on her return is up to the authorities.
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Warrington 19 Feb 19 9.17am

The last time I checked, you had to pay to catch a flight to Turkey, it's not provided free of charge by the government. If her family want her to return they can do what everyone else does and pay the fare. What happens to her on her return is up to the authorities.

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Midlands Eagle 19 Feb 19 9.57am
Originally posted by CPFC1965 The last time I checked, you had to pay to catch a flight to Turkey, it's not provided free of charge by the government. If her family want her to return they can do what everyone else does and pay the fare. The media will be falling over each other to fund her trip home
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Originally posted by CPFC1965

The media will be falling over each other to fund her trip home

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Matov 19 Feb 19 10.18am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You think Britain was created and run by lawyers and bureaucrats or something? Nations were built and maintained in blood. By the past figurative and sometimes real sacrifice of hard men in the mud.....not some of the excuses we have passing for them today. Personally I resent being told that we have to pay tax monies to provide resources for the upkeep of those who sleep with....and agree with the enemy. She broke the social compact with her nation when she chose to support the death of its troops. She should never see its ground again. Her child is part Dutch, let the Netherlands take her. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 2.39am) I accept every single one of those sentiments and at a gut level, could not agree more. But that does not make it right. I fully understand the anger and rage that people feel. I share that 100%. But I am looking at the wider picture. Of how the UK should be. We do have a legal system that makes a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Now that has flaws in it and yes, people take the piss, but by and large, it has offered us a stability that many other nations not only lack but also envy. I am convinced that this stability is at its most fragile. And that the biggest danger to it all collapsing comes from people demanding that we lower our standards. In terms of this moronic woman, I care very little. My primary concern for her child which truly is an innocent party in all of this. And she was only 15 when she made her choices. That cannot be ignored. Once again I understand, and on a gut level, agree with all the arguments made about how that does not excuse her but we have a system whereby a person is not deemed of full responsibility for their actions until the age of 18. She has already lost 2 children. That in itself must have been traumatic enough to ensure that she must, on any possible level of compassion, be given at least a chance to not only explain herself but perhaps even offered a slim chance of rehabilitation. I want her punished. I loathe her justification and have nothing other than utter contempt for her religious beliefs as she expresses them. But I also believe that a State has to be above emotional responses if it is to function. She is a test case for that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

19 Feb 19 10.18am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You think Britain was created and run by lawyers and bureaucrats or something?

Nations were built and maintained in blood. By the past figurative and sometimes real sacrifice of hard men in the mud.....not some of the excuses we have passing for them today.

Personally I resent being told that we have to pay tax monies to provide resources for the upkeep of those who sleep with....and agree with the enemy.

She broke the social compact with her nation when she chose to support the death of its troops. She should never see its ground again.

Her child is part Dutch, let the Netherlands take her.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 2.39am)

I accept every single one of those sentiments and at a gut level, could not agree more.

But that does not make it right.

I fully understand the anger and rage that people feel. I share that 100%. But I am looking at the wider picture. Of how the UK should be. We do have a legal system that makes a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Now that has flaws in it and yes, people take the piss, but by and large, it has offered us a stability that many other nations not only lack but also envy.

I am convinced that this stability is at its most fragile. And that the biggest danger to it all collapsing comes from people demanding that we lower our standards.

In terms of this moronic woman, I care very little. My primary concern for her child which truly is an innocent party in all of this.

And she was only 15 when she made her choices. That cannot be ignored. Once again I understand, and on a gut level, agree with all the arguments made about how that does not excuse her but we have a system whereby a person is not deemed of full responsibility for their actions until the age of 18. She has already lost 2 children. That in itself must have been traumatic enough to ensure that she must, on any possible level of compassion, be given at least a chance to not only explain herself but perhaps even offered a slim chance of rehabilitation.

I want her punished. I loathe her justification and have nothing other than utter contempt for her religious beliefs as she expresses them. But I also believe that a State has to be above emotional responses if it is to function. She is a test case for that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 19 11.05am
Originally posted by Matov I accept every single one of those sentiments and at a gut level, could not agree more. But that does not make it right. I fully understand the anger and rage that people feel. I share that 100%. But I am looking at the wider picture. Of how the UK should be. We do have a legal system that makes a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Now that has flaws in it and yes, people take the piss, but by and large, it has offered us a stability that many other nations not only lack but also envy. I am convinced that this stability is at its most fragile. And that the biggest danger to it all collapsing comes from people demanding that we lower our standards. In terms of this moronic woman, I care very little. My primary concern for her child which truly is an innocent party in all of this. And she was only 15 when she made her choices. That cannot be ignored. Once again I understand, and on a gut level, agree with all the arguments made about how that does not excuse her but we have a system whereby a person is not deemed of full responsibility for their actions until the age of 18. She has already lost 2 children. That in itself must have been traumatic enough to ensure that she must, on any possible level of compassion, be given at least a chance to not only explain herself but perhaps even offered a slim chance of rehabilitation. I want her punished. I loathe her justification and have nothing other than utter contempt for her religious beliefs as she expresses them. But I also believe that a State has to be above emotional responses if it is to function. She is a test case for that. She is now a media circus so I guess we will be left with little choice but to be lenient. However, I do not want us to be as I do not think any of the IS people deserve it. The reason I think this is that they clearly turned their backs on, and outright rejected - even fought against, the values and freedoms you describe. When they decided to turn on British values, rubbish them and openly fight against them, I believe they lost the right to those values. This stupid girl turned against British values and lost two children. She isn't even showing remorse. Why then does she get to avail of Britain now? She is only doing it to get something for herself; frankly something she doesn't deserve. The child complicates matters somewhat. Nevertheless, no matter what, I don't think I would be the only one who wouldn't trust this woman in the UK - no matter what prevent or social services say. She will become a focal point in radicalisation - no doubt with accompanying reports but no action. I wouldn't even be surprised if she came back and martyred herself in a spectacular way. Her emotionless responses do little to make me think she can be trusted in normal, decent Western society. At the very least, she will always be hanging out in the non-English speaking, English hating, section of radical Islamic society - protected by English laws. I am sick of this, like so many others. This is fueling and widening an existing divide. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 19 11.05am

Originally posted by Matov

I accept every single one of those sentiments and at a gut level, could not agree more.

But that does not make it right.

I am convinced that this stability is at its most fragile. And that the biggest danger to it all collapsing comes from people demanding that we lower our standards.

In terms of this moronic woman, I care very little. My primary concern for her child which truly is an innocent party in all of this.

She is now a media circus so I guess we will be left with little choice but to be lenient. However, I do not want us to be as I do not think any of the IS people deserve it.
The reason I think this is that they clearly turned their backs on, and outright rejected - even fought against, the values and freedoms you describe. When they decided to turn on British values, rubbish them and openly fight against them, I believe they lost the right to those values.
This stupid girl turned against British values and lost two children. She isn't even showing remorse. Why then does she get to avail of Britain now? She is only doing it to get something for herself; frankly something she doesn't deserve.
The child complicates matters somewhat.
Nevertheless, no matter what, I don't think I would be the only one who wouldn't trust this woman in the UK - no matter what prevent or social services say.
She will become a focal point in radicalisation - no doubt with accompanying reports but no action.
I wouldn't even be surprised if she came back and martyred herself in a spectacular way. Her emotionless responses do little to make me think she can be trusted in normal, decent Western society.
At the very least, she will always be hanging out in the non-English speaking, English hating, section of radical Islamic society - protected by English laws. I am sick of this, like so many others. This is fueling and widening an existing divide.

Red and Blue Army!

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Feb 19 11.06am
I think IS will be laughing that we are having this type of debate. In a war with a totally ruthless and deluded enemy who have committed such shocking atrocities, there is no time for moral dilemmas or the mechanisms of law. Preserving our standards in the face of such indifference to humanity would probably cost us our own survival. When you win the war you have the luxury of show trials and making examples. Have we won the war?
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I think IS will be laughing that we are having this type of debate.
In a war with a totally ruthless and deluded enemy who have committed such shocking atrocities, there is no time for moral dilemmas or the mechanisms of law.
Preserving our standards in the face of such indifference to humanity would probably cost us our own survival.

When you win the war you have the luxury of show trials and making examples.

Have we won the war?

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becky over the moon 19 Feb 19 11.10am
We know where she is, we know what she looks like. Drone anyone? Sorted! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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