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 Stirlingsays  16 Feb 19 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well, those that didn’t have the chance to vote last time but would now wouldn’t change. Because they didn’t vote last time. But there are more than enough of them to change the outcome which surely they would do. While at the same time there will be more people who are now older and within age brackets which are known to be more likely to vote leave. So this observation has missing parts. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2019 10.57pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 16 Feb 19 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
While at the same time there will be more people who are now older and within age brackets which are known to be more likely to vote leave. So this observation has missing parts. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2019 10.57pm) So now you are saying that people WILL change how they voted Well some of those that didn’t vote may also be less apathetic. Why don’t we give it a try then
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| Stirlingsays 16 Feb 19 11.12pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So now you are saying that people WILL change how they voted Well some of those that didn’t vote may also be less apathetic. Why don’t we give it a try then People don't vote, in the same numbers, the same way at 18 as they do at 50. This isn't news. People are likely to vote within the categories that age shows. Whatever the topic in general a population becomes more conservative the older it gets.....I have little doubt that this is affected by increased earnings and tax contributions and all the rest of it. As for a second vote. As I've said a second vote before Brexit actually occurs would be a morally bankrupt event and a serious breach of the democratic conditions that the original vote was made under by Cameron. As I've said, I see nothing wrong, in principle, with a second vote some years after Brexit.....Which is far far more generous than how the pro EU lobby treated us. In fact the lack of recognition of this principle by EU supporters makes me doubt that I should even be that generous in spirit because it wasn't reciprocated. Even those who regard themselves as morally high minded the Liberal Democrats showed their true colours on that one.....Quickly changing the tune on a referendum once it became a realistic reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2019 11.18pm)
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| ChrisGC Wantage 16 Feb 19 11.27pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What you fail to acknowledge, and might not truly realise, is that most people, even if that excludes you, now understand the complexities and implications much better than they did in 2016, whether they were then a Leaver or a Remainer. More knowledge causes re-appraisals which leads to hindsight and a possible change of mind. Insults are not involved. Just statements of fact. What the result would be is a matter of opinion. I know what mine is but if you are convinced that the country would still decide to leave why worry? If insults don't work, try condescension, that'll win em around. As with every vote in history the information to make an informed vote was in the public domain, and with every other vote there were those who sought it and those who didn't: on both sides. What are the complexities you speak of? The legal text is straightforward and the process prescribed and simple. Just because we have an incompetent, remain leader isn't relevant to the "complexities" of actually leaving the EU.
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| Mapletree Croydon 17 Feb 19 12.04am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
People don't vote, in the same numbers, the same way at 18 as they do at 50. This isn't news. People are likely to vote within the categories that age shows. Whatever the topic in general a population becomes more conservative the older it gets.....I have little doubt that this is affected by increased earnings and tax contributions and all the rest of it. As for a second vote. As I've said a second vote before Brexit actually occurs would be a morally bankrupt event and a serious breach of the democratic conditions that the original vote was made under by Cameron. As I've said, I see nothing wrong, in principle, with a second vote some years after Brexit.....Which is far far more generous than how the pro EU lobby treated us. In fact the lack of recognition of this principle by EU supporters makes me doubt that I should even be that generous in spirit because it wasn't reciprocated. Even those who regard themselves as morally high minded the Liberal Democrats showed their true colours on that one.....Quickly changing the tune on a referendum once it became a realistic reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2019 11.18pm) Haha You are confusing age with generation Makes Voting conservatively sound like an age related disease. Effectively the early signs of dementia. You could have a point
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| Stirlingsays 17 Feb 19 12.18am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Haha You are confusing age with generation Makes Voting conservatively sound like an age related disease. Effectively the early signs of dementia. You could have a point
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Feb 19 11.13am |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
If insults don't work, try condescension, that'll win em around. As with every vote in history the information to make an informed vote was in the public domain, and with every other vote there were those who sought it and those who didn't: on both sides. What are the complexities you speak of? The legal text is straightforward and the process prescribed and simple. Just because we have an incompetent, remain leader isn't relevant to the "complexities" of actually leaving the EU. Are you serious? No-one, including you, had any idea that we would face the prospect of delays to food imports or the problems in Northern Ireland. The prospect of a breakup of the Union was known by some but not widely and dismissed by the Leavers. The text might seem straightforward to you but the outcomes are very far from simple. The implications of leaving without securing a new arrangement with our biggest trading partners and neighbours (a deal) was not even discussed by anyone except the very well informed. Which didn't include the media or the voters they serve. Whilst all of this is important and worth effort in discussing it is also very far from the subject of this thread and as there are better places than here to try to bring reason to bear I will try to restrain myself from responding.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Feb 19 11.20am |
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The break up of the union is inevitable. It has little to do with whether we join or leave the EU. At most leaving the EU will hasten it a bit. It's just a matter of time.
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| W12 17 Feb 19 6.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The break up of the union is inevitable. It has little to do with whether we join or leave the EU. At most leaving the EU will hasten it a bit. It's just a matter of time. Yep and good riddance. Maybe it’s too late and a small victory in the end but even if the west end up the next Carthage winning something is still the best way of trying to escape our current trajectory.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Feb 19 6.40pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Yep and good riddance. Maybe it’s too late and a small victory in the end but even if the west end up the next Carthage winning something is still the best way of trying to escape our current trajectory. Yep, the Carthage is quite a good one, though perhaps the causes were more the same that saw Rome fall. We sure have a lot of plonkers who detest the generations who put the Great next to Britain. Their combined neglect and ridiculous adherence to post modernistic concepts is ruinous. Mind you....I can't help thinking that their future descendants will detest them much more than the Georgians and Victorians.
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| davenotamonkey 17 Feb 19 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Funny how you think that everyone else is 'manipulated' but never stop to wonder if you are. Oh, no - they certainly aren't! Go see all the outrage from the likes of Presidential runners, Hollywood icons and liberal media hacks, without establishing a single f***ing shred of evidence. The entire left wing united against this "modern-day lynching" (Kamala Harris). How evil are these "this is MAGA country" white supremacists.... ..and just like Covington, the stupid f***s believed it. Because "Trump bad". Because it fits their preconceived confirmation bias. [Tweet Link]
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 19 12.23am |
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I have been reading some of the other threads in this section and one thing stands out above all other. That there really is a hard core of posters here who represent all that is wrong with our current political scene. The subjects may vary but the approach is constant. You see the same kind of thing now in a variety of places. Trump and Brexit has loosened the tongues of those who previously felt restrained by knowing that others perceived their views as extreme. I thought that the UK had managed to become a tolerant place where otherness wasn't something to be scared of and that no one group felt superior or entitled. My own parents were terribly racist, but they came from a generation which didn't know any better. How has our education system failed so badly that the attitudes that I grew up with, but learned to overcome, are still openly present in society? I read all the justifications and reasonings, which I guess those writing them truly believe are real, but it seems very clear to me that something much more basic lies underneath. So the OP was right to ask the question he did. I am ashamed to say I think it is correct. Maybe by 2050, when the UK's population is forecasted to have around 20% of the people with mixed blood in their genes we will start to see a kinder, more compassionate nature start to emerge. Of course we all have mixed blood already, but the new blood comes from further away. I won't be here to see it, which is unfortunate, but I don't want my grandchildren to be growing up in this poisonous atmosphere. There is a lot I could say on some of the other threads as some of the comments have been outrageous but I won't. There is no point in ever arguing with such attitudes. You must expose them to others and then allow them to destroy themselves. Shame on you though. Maybe I should find 7 members from here and 3 from the BBS and go form an independent forum where common sense prevails and extremism is relegated to the history books.
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