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manwitheagletattoo Somewhere in England 17 Jul 18 11.32am
Yer and there is a lot of people on here that “Rant as well” South London & Proud Sometimes I really wonder if family are really worth it. Because it doesn’t matter how time and affection you give It’s never enough
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Yer and there is a lot of people on here that “Rant as well”

South London & Proud
Sometimes I really wonder if family are really worth it.
Because it doesn’t matter how time and affection you give
It’s never enough

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bexleydave Barnehurst 17 Jul 18 11.36am
Originally posted by silvertop I meant our history where we have overwhelmingly played in lower divisions but I'm glad you mentioned the fact that we were almost liquidated only 8 years ago. It might be premature to think that the impact of such a devastating event has no impact now particularly when we are having to compete with other teams with established modern infrastructure. And which teams do you mean? Are Watford, Burnley, Brighton, Huddersfield and Bournemouth really so better run than us? And if you think they are, please say how they are. Well, Huddersfield had a somewhat fortuitous escape last season, but the others never seem to be in quite the same 'panic mode' that we seem to spend a great deal of our time in, usually of our own making. As for administration, we didn't really come out of that too badly did we. Apart from the obvious of getting a free ride out of the debts, we had the ground and club reunited and the new owners were able to pick up the club at a rock bottom price, with the finance secured on our assets, that has since been paid back in spades. If it had relegated us, then we'd have something to hang any subsequent misfortunes on, but it didn't, so we don't. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 17 Jul 18 11.36am

Originally posted by silvertop

I meant our history where we have overwhelmingly played in lower divisions but I'm glad you mentioned the fact that we were almost liquidated only 8 years ago. It might be premature to think that the impact of such a devastating event has no impact now particularly when we are having to compete with other teams with established modern infrastructure.

And which teams do you mean? Are Watford, Burnley, Brighton, Huddersfield and Bournemouth really so better run than us? And if you think they are, please say how they are.

Well, Huddersfield had a somewhat fortuitous escape last season, but the others never seem to be in quite the same 'panic mode' that we seem to spend a great deal of our time in, usually of our own making.

As for administration, we didn't really come out of that too badly did we. Apart from the obvious of getting a free ride out of the debts, we had the ground and club reunited and the new owners were able to pick up the club at a rock bottom price, with the finance secured on our assets, that has since been paid back in spades. If it had relegated us, then we'd have something to hang any subsequent misfortunes on, but it didn't, so we don't.

Bexley Dave

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"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jul 18 11.53am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle If I remember correctly we were all excreting hot bricks in February when having failed to sign a keeper in January our two first team keepers both suffered injuries and there was a very real possibility of having to play a rookie from the development side in goal Parish is a cat with 9 lives. COYP
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Caterham 17 Jul 18 11.53am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If I remember correctly we were all excreting hot bricks in February when having failed to sign a keeper in January our two first team keepers both suffered injuries and there was a very real possibility of having to play a rookie from the development side in goal

Parish is a cat with 9 lives.

COYP

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manwitheagletattoo Somewhere in England 17 Jul 18 11.55am
Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo Yer and there is a lot of people on here that “Rant as well” The transfer window hasn’t even closed yet, and people are going on about not signing anybody. As we all know Hodgson has given the board his list of players he would like to bring in. Palace have always done their transfer business late, and because Palace are not doing what other teams are doing and signing players it’s a major issue. Most clubs big and small have all gone through periods where they have had quiet transfers dealings because of ground or stadium development. Even clubs the size of Manchester United have to put finances in perspective to improve their infrastructure, so on the question about clubs finances, if a club puts finances into other projects something has to give, other pots gets smaller, and it can only buy what it can afford. South London & Proud Sometimes I really wonder if family are really worth it. Because it doesn’t matter how time and affection you give It’s never enough
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Somewhere in England 17 Jul 18 11.55am

Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo

Yer and there is a lot of people on here that “Rant as well”

The transfer window hasn’t even closed yet, and people are going on about not signing anybody. As we all know Hodgson has given the board his list of players he would like to bring in. Palace have always done their transfer business late, and because Palace are not doing what other teams are doing and signing players it’s a major issue. Most clubs big and small have all gone through periods where they have had quiet transfers dealings because of ground or stadium development. Even clubs the size of Manchester United have to put finances in perspective to improve their infrastructure, so on the question about clubs finances, if a club puts finances into other projects something has to give, other pots gets smaller, and it can only buy what it can afford.

South London & Proud
Sometimes I really wonder if family are really worth it.
Because it doesn’t matter how time and affection you give
It’s never enough

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jul 18 12.02pm
Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo The transfer window hasn’t even closed yet, and people are going on about not signing anybody. As we all know Hodgson has given the board his list of players he would like to bring in. Palace have always done their transfer business late, and because Palace are not doing what other teams are doing and signing players it’s a major issue. Most clubs big and small have all gone through periods where they have had quiet transfers dealings because of ground or stadium development. Even clubs the size of Manchester United have to put finances in perspective to improve their infrastructure, so on the question about clubs finances, if a club puts finances into other projects something has to give, other pots gets smaller, and it can only buy what it can afford. I agree with this but at the same time they have to sign a centre mid at least, or why let Cabaye go. I think we will, but it can’t be swept under the carpet like previous fvck ups. We simply have to do this at the very very least. Anyone thinking otherwise either doesn’t watch Palace or understand football at all. Hmmmm. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Jul 18 12.02pm

Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo

I agree with this but at the same time they have to sign a centre mid at least, or why let Cabaye go. I think we will, but it can’t be swept under the carpet like previous fvck ups. We simply have to do this at the very very least. Anyone thinking otherwise either doesn’t watch Palace or understand football at all. Hmmmm.

COYP

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silvertop Portishead 17 Jul 18 12.18pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Extraordinary levels of injuries goes under the heading ‘Can and does happen.’ So does having a low level of injuries. We are a commercial enterprise that made mistakes (FdB) and took risks. Had we engaged Roy after Fatty walked and had a low level of injuries, we could be looking forward to European football.
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silvertop Portishead 17 Jul 18 12.31pm
Originally posted by bexleydave Well, Huddersfield had a somewhat fortuitous escape last season, but the others never seem to be in quite the same 'panic mode' that we seem to spend a great deal of our time in, usually of our own making. As for administration, we didn't really come out of that too badly did we. Apart from the obvious of getting a free ride out of the debts, we had the ground and club reunited and the new owners were able to pick up the club at a rock bottom price, with the finance secured on our assets, that has since been paid back in spades. If it had relegated us, then we'd have something to hang any subsequent misfortunes on, but it didn't, so we don't. You seem to have made my argument for me in terms of criticism of the people who carried out that reunion of club and ground... and training facilities for that matter. Trouble is, while the club is fine, the ground is largely a low capacity antediluvian Nissan hut; and the support facilities are not much better. This is a consequence of criminal underinvestment by previous owners and not the current incumbents. That is the long term impact of 2 administrations. That we have not been relegated notwithstanding restricted revenue and the constant necessity to divert much needed money to repairs and infrastructure improvements is surely a compliment to the management? Bournemouth aside (who have a rich sugar daddy funding them), we are constantly playing catch-up with all the clubs around us. Yet we are still here...
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Portishead 17 Jul 18 12.31pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

You seem to have made my argument for me in terms of criticism of the people who carried out that reunion of club and ground... and training facilities for that matter. Trouble is, while the club is fine, the ground is largely a low capacity antediluvian Nissan hut; and the support facilities are not much better. This is a consequence of criminal underinvestment by previous owners and not the current incumbents. That is the long term impact of 2 administrations. That we have not been relegated notwithstanding restricted revenue and the constant necessity to divert much needed money to repairs and infrastructure improvements is surely a compliment to the management?

Bournemouth aside (who have a rich sugar daddy funding them), we are constantly playing catch-up with all the clubs around us. Yet we are still here...

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jul 18 12.58pm
Originally posted by silvertop Extraordinary levels of injuries goes under the heading ‘Can and does happen.’ So does having a low level of injuries. We are a commercial enterprise that made mistakes (FdB) and took risks. Had we engaged Roy after Fatty walked and had a low level of injuries, we could be looking forward to European football. Treating good managers poorly or with a lack of resources and giving inferior ones more isn’t a wise approach and is a bit transparent to the fans so it must be to the management fraternity. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Jul 18 12.58pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Extraordinary levels of injuries goes under the heading ‘Can and does happen.’

So does having a low level of injuries. We are a commercial enterprise that made mistakes (FdB) and took risks. Had we engaged Roy after Fatty walked and had a low level of injuries, we could be looking forward to European football.

Treating good managers poorly or with a lack of resources and giving inferior ones more isn’t a wise approach and is a bit transparent to the fans so it must be to the management fraternity.

COYP

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silvertop Portishead 17 Jul 18 4.54pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Treating good managers poorly or with a lack of resources and giving inferior ones more isn’t a wise approach and is a bit transparent to the fans so it must be to the management fraternity. I think I have given a plausible explanation for the relative lack of resources up the thread. Since we are building to a point where funding won't be as critical and FFP rules will not hamstring our efforts to build our squad I am hoping that fiscal nirvana is only a few seasons away... if we stay in this league. That said, of course our owners make mistakes including some of the ones you allude to. And is it fair to criticise them? Hell yeah! We are the fans without whom they would be nothing. If they are accountable to anyone its us. But don't expect to stick the boot in without a counter from someone if the attack is either wrong or lacks balance.
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Portishead 17 Jul 18 4.54pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Treating good managers poorly or with a lack of resources and giving inferior ones more isn’t a wise approach and is a bit transparent to the fans so it must be to the management fraternity.

I think I have given a plausible explanation for the relative lack of resources up the thread. Since we are building to a point where funding won't be as critical and FFP rules will not hamstring our efforts to build our squad I am hoping that fiscal nirvana is only a few seasons away... if we stay in this league.

That said, of course our owners make mistakes including some of the ones you allude to. And is it fair to criticise them? Hell yeah! We are the fans without whom they would be nothing. If they are accountable to anyone its us. But don't expect to stick the boot in without a counter from someone if the attack is either wrong or lacks balance.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 17 Jul 18 5.18pm
Originally posted by silvertop You seem to have made my argument for me in terms of criticism of the people who carried out that reunion of club and ground... and training facilities for that matter. Trouble is, while the club is fine, the ground is largely a low capacity antediluvian Nissan hut; and the support facilities are not much better. This is a consequence of criminal underinvestment by previous owners and not the current incumbents. That is the long term impact of 2 administrations. That we have not been relegated notwithstanding restricted revenue and the constant necessity to divert much needed money to repairs and infrastructure improvements is surely a compliment to the management? Bournemouth aside (who have a rich sugar daddy funding them), we are constantly playing catch-up with all the clubs around us. Yet we are still here... There was certainly under-investment by at least one owner, prior to the first administration and likewise after it, but it's a bit of a stretch to blame that on the administration itself. Post-administration you get a tabula rasa (a clean slate), free from having to pay all those annoying people the club owed money to. Likewise, after the second administration, CPFC2010 got a debt free club and it's a matter of choice that they won't be making any substantial infrastructure improvements until their 10th year of ownership and after six years in the PL. To suggest that administration has made the new owners (especially the current ones) poorer is the reverse of the actuality. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 17 Jul 18 5.18pm

Originally posted by silvertop

You seem to have made my argument for me in terms of criticism of the people who carried out that reunion of club and ground... and training facilities for that matter. Trouble is, while the club is fine, the ground is largely a low capacity antediluvian Nissan hut; and the support facilities are not much better. This is a consequence of criminal underinvestment by previous owners and not the current incumbents. That is the long term impact of 2 administrations. That we have not been relegated notwithstanding restricted revenue and the constant necessity to divert much needed money to repairs and infrastructure improvements is surely a compliment to the management?

Bournemouth aside (who have a rich sugar daddy funding them), we are constantly playing catch-up with all the clubs around us. Yet we are still here...

There was certainly under-investment by at least one owner, prior to the first administration and likewise after it, but it's a bit of a stretch to blame that on the administration itself. Post-administration you get a tabula rasa (a clean slate), free from having to pay all those annoying people the club owed money to.

Likewise, after the second administration, CPFC2010 got a debt free club and it's a matter of choice that they won't be making any substantial infrastructure improvements until their 10th year of ownership and after six years in the PL. To suggest that administration has made the new owners (especially the current ones) poorer is the reverse of the actuality.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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silvertop Portishead 17 Jul 18 5.29pm
Originally posted by bexleydave There was certainly under-investment by at least one owner, prior to the first administration and likewise after it, but it's a bit of a stretch to blame that on the administration itself. Post-administration you get a tabula rasa (a clean slate), free from having to pay all those annoying people the club owed money to. Likewise, after the second administration, CPFC2010 got a debt free club and it's a matter of choice that they won't be making any substantial infrastructure improvements until their 10th year of ownership and after six years in the PL. To suggest that administration has made the new owners (especially the current ones) poorer is the reverse of the actuality. These people operate sensibly. They spend within their means. They are prudent and act inside FFP rules. We grow slowly but sustainably; and always profitably. I think these are good things. I have highlighted your last sentence as I can only assume that you are responding to somebody else's post as I never said this or remotely suggested it.
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Portishead 17 Jul 18 5.29pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

Likewise, after the second administration, CPFC2010 got a debt free club and it's a matter of choice that they won't be making any substantial infrastructure improvements until their 10th year of ownership and after six years in the PL. To suggest that administration has made the new owners (especially the current ones) poorer is the reverse of the actuality.

These people operate sensibly. They spend within their means. They are prudent and act inside FFP rules. We grow slowly but sustainably; and always profitably. I think these are good things.

I have highlighted your last sentence as I can only assume that you are responding to somebody else's post as I never said this or remotely suggested it.

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Maine Eagle USA 17 Jul 18 6.19pm
Originally posted by silvertop What else would you expect from a club of our size, with our infrastructure and with our recent history? Oh where to begin. Having a good transfer window for once. Selling a player or two and actually making some money rather than letting them all walk on free transfers. Not allowing a seriously dodgy keeper (at times) to go unchallenged for years, because a foreign keeper didnt settle, then inexplicably wasnt replaced window after window. Dont make a fool of the manager by not addressing specific areas re transfers where the manager himself has gone public asking for a certain position to be signed. Hanging on to fire Pardew, not weeks, but several months too late. Not waiting until the very end of the transfer window every single time, thus leaving ourselves open to transfers falling apart and having no time to sort out a plan B. See Niasse, Oumar. Having at least 1 fit senior striker available at all times. Allowing a proper pre season where the manager can actually bed in new signings (I assume we will make some). Not spending 2 weeks too long fiddling about with a manager search, then appointing a manager famed for possession based football to run a team built on counter attacking style. Having made the decision, watched a good performance against Burnley where we should have won, tweeting about solidarity, then firing the guy after 4 games. Managing the squad properly so as to not create a situation where half the first team is out of contract at the same time. Edited by Maine Eagle (17 Jul 2018 6.20pm) Edited by Maine Eagle (17 Jul 2018 6.22pm) Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 17 Jul 18 6.19pm

Originally posted by silvertop

What else would you expect from a club of our size, with our infrastructure and with our recent history?

Oh where to begin.

Having a good transfer window for once.

Selling a player or two and actually making some money rather than letting them all walk on free transfers.

Not allowing a seriously dodgy keeper (at times) to go unchallenged for years, because a foreign keeper didnt settle, then inexplicably wasnt replaced window after window.

Dont make a fool of the manager by not addressing specific areas re transfers where the manager himself has gone public asking for a certain position to be signed.

Hanging on to fire Pardew, not weeks, but several months too late.

Not waiting until the very end of the transfer window every single time, thus leaving ourselves open to transfers falling apart and having no time to sort out a plan B. See Niasse, Oumar.

Having at least 1 fit senior striker available at all times.

Allowing a proper pre season where the manager can actually bed in new signings (I assume we will make some).

Not spending 2 weeks too long fiddling about with a manager search, then appointing a manager famed for possession based football to run a team built on counter attacking style. Having made the decision, watched a good performance against Burnley where we should have won, tweeting about solidarity, then firing the guy after 4 games.

Managing the squad properly so as to not create a situation where half the first team is out of contract at the same time.

Edited by Maine Eagle (17 Jul 2018 6.20pm)

Edited by Maine Eagle (17 Jul 2018 6.22pm)

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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