Morning Willo,how about Lee Masons co*k up at TheAmex last night,wasn't even up with play,again appalling refereeing by one of our so called elite referees.
Tackle was by Shawcross on Murray that was a clear as daylight penalty as you will ever see.
Because of Masons incompetence Murray lost the plot a few minutes later,clattered one of their players got a yellow card that probably should have been red.
These referees are just not up to the task they are supposed to perform,I don't like the idea of instant trial by video but with all the mistakes they are constantly making it seems to be the only answer.

Where did I make this claim? All I said was that 25%, 30% was not good enough. And if you think it is then you need your f***ing bumps felt.

You wouldn't know what grandstanding rhetoric was if it got up and smacked you in the face. I gave you a list of hard facts: specific matches, specific decisions, specific references to expert analysis of them, even links to reports and video clips. That isn't grandstanding rhetoric, it's concrete evidence. True, only from one weekend, a weekend on which about 35% of football fans were ripped off by the officials.

If by "brilliant decisions" you mean the big ones that they actually get right, this weekend they managed two out of the eight listed in the reviews I referenced. I suppose two out of eight could be called "some". I'd like them to get more than "some" of them right, and certainly more than a quarter. Nowhere did I mention 100%.

My list isn't selective. I looked at every single PL game this weekend just gone, and at reviews of every single "big" decision (as defined above). All of them. Including the ones they got right. I did not "select" anything. The only "big" calls not included are the penalty appeals denied (there was one of those in our match).

And those decisions aren't so-called anything. They're objectively, clearly and plainly incorrect.

Bad decisions on big calls certainly do affect the outtomes of matches. Are you seriously claiming that:

- a team reduced to ten men for nearly the whole game isn't significantly weakened?
- a wrongly-awarded penalty or a penalty not awarded that should have been isn't significant in a game that finished 2-2?
- a three-match ban for a red card doesn't affect the three matches concerned, especially when it involves a player as important for a team as Murray is for Brighton?

In fact it was asserted on TalkSh!te this evening, and by people who know far better than you or I, that the notorious ghost goal incident of 1980

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affected Palace not only for that match but for the whole of the rest of the season and contributed significantly to our relegation. I don't know if I'd go that far but it certainly had effects that went well beyond that one game. (Happily it could not happen today, but the decisions I listed could be similarly significant).

And of course this research only covered big decisions, it makes no mention of the constant failure to protect important players, the poor match management and the failure to apply the Laws consistently which we saw 95 minutes of on Saturday.

It is you who are grandstanding, my friend, because it is you that are making statements unsupported with any evidence more solid than "my pal said this so it must be right" or "100 years ago I took a referees' test". It is you twist the words of others to put words like "100 per cent." into their mouths so that you can attack what they didn't say. And it is you who stick your fingers in your ears as soon as anyone produces evidence that demolishes your one and only argument.

Typical Tory politician, I suppose.

And who's putting words into my mouth ?
I'm don't consider myself tilting at windmills.
Your argument is backfiring like a faulty exhaust.

Edited by Willo (21 Nov 2017 2.45pm)

You have more than once stated that I expexted 100% accuracy from referees and I have more than once made clear that all I wanted was better than the s*** we're seeing now.

If I thought refs could be 100% accurate I wouldn't care about VAR, would I?

As for my argument that the present state of affairs isn't acceptable, the only person who seems to think it is is you. So unless you can tell me why 25% of major calls correct in one weekend in the PL is decent you can get back under your bridge and stay out of the sunlight because I for one am now thoroughly sick of talking to something that sounds like a defective 'bot.

I've backed my case with hard facts and all you have is warped opinion, nebulous memories, toadying references to supposed ITK luminaries and thinly-veiled abuse.

And you clearly don't give a twopenny f*** about how real Palace fans, or supporters, or whatever you want to call us, feel when the ref shafts us.

Go away.

Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 3.19pm)

Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 3.23pm)

You speak with no authority whatsoever as far as I am concerned.

I refuse to waste further breath on you.

Edited by chateauferret (21 Nov 2017 4.06pm)

You might be a palace supporter but your a referee support first and formost...