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Stuk Top half 07 Dec 17 5.34pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 We were engaged in a war with IS, we were supporting military operations on the ground with the RAF. Do I think we were right, yes. But then I think that its probably also right, if your the other side, to target the people giving the orders, rather than some kids attending a concert. When we invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussain, was a direct target of US and UK bombing operations. It stands to reason, to target the enemy leaders. We still aren't "at war". Iraq and Syria are both having civil wars. We're merely part of a task force providing support to one side. We were at war in Iraq, albeit illegally. Clue being it was called, and still is called, the Iraq War. Can't believe you seriously think the PM, who didn't make the decision on providing supporting for either of those conflicts is "a legitimate target". It's more ridiculous that you think she is a legitimate target in the UK! Optimistic as ever
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Top half 07 Dec 17 5.34pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

We were engaged in a war with IS, we were supporting military operations on the ground with the RAF. Do I think we were right, yes. But then I think that its probably also right, if your the other side, to target the people giving the orders, rather than some kids attending a concert.

When we invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussain, was a direct target of US and UK bombing operations. It stands to reason, to target the enemy leaders.

We still aren't "at war". Iraq and Syria are both having civil wars. We're merely part of a task force providing support to one side.

We were at war in Iraq, albeit illegally. Clue being it was called, and still is called, the Iraq War.

Can't believe you seriously think the PM, who didn't make the decision on providing supporting for either of those conflicts is "a legitimate target". It's more ridiculous that you think she is a legitimate target in the UK!

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Ray in Houston Houston 07 Dec 17 5.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'd say trying to kill a Prime Minister goes way above terrorism. That is an attempt to destabilise the country. That is justification to take serious action where the civil rights of a minority become secondary. That's easy to say when you're not in that minority. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'd say trying to kill a Prime Minister goes way above terrorism. That is an attempt to destabilise the country. That is justification to take serious action where the civil rights of a minority become secondary.

That's easy to say when you're not in that minority.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Ben Franklin

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Dec 17 7.19pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston That's easy to say when you're not in that minority. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin Oh man. Using a quote from the 1700s to cover every occasion.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

That's easy to say when you're not in that minority.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Ben Franklin

Oh man. Using a quote from the 1700s to cover every occasion.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Dec 17 12.32am
Interesting take on terrorism being overplayed by people from former M16 head. Says that too much is made of terrorist attacks and the risks of being caught up in one are miniscule. (I paraphrase here) [Link] Seems reasonable, abhor terrorism but don't let it scare you.
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Shizzlehurst 14 Dec 17 12.32am

Interesting take on terrorism being overplayed by people from former M16 head.

Says that too much is made of terrorist attacks and the risks of being caught up in one are miniscule. (I paraphrase here)

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Seems reasonable, abhor terrorism but don't let it scare you.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 17 7.55am
Originally posted by nickgusset Interesting take on terrorism being overplayed by people from former M16 head. Says that too much is made of terrorist attacks and the risks of being caught up in one are miniscule. (I paraphrase here) [Link] Seems reasonable, abhor terrorism but don't let it scare you. I'm sure the families of the victims of 9/11 and Paris will be very pleased. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Dec 2017 7.56am)
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14 Dec 17 7.55am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Interesting take on terrorism being overplayed by people from former M16 head.

Says that too much is made of terrorist attacks and the risks of being caught up in one are miniscule. (I paraphrase here)

[Link]

Seems reasonable, abhor terrorism but don't let it scare you.

I'm sure the families of the victims of 9/11 and Paris will be very pleased.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Dec 2017 7.56am)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Dec 17 8.15am
Originally posted by nickgusset Interesting take on terrorism being overplayed by people from former M16 head. Says that too much is made of terrorist attacks and the risks of being caught up in one are miniscule. (I paraphrase here) [Link] Seems reasonable, abhor terrorism but don't let it scare you. I agree, the risk of being caught up in a terrorist attack is relatively small. So is being attacked by extreme right-wingers, extreme communists, homophobes, racists, or being persecuted by extreme gay rights activists, or dying because of government cuts. The chance of practically anything happening to you (apart from death and taxation and hearing Remoaners) is relatively small, so we shouldn't worry, just keep whistling and walk fast. Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Dec 2017 8.58am) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Interesting take on terrorism being overplayed by people from former M16 head.

Says that too much is made of terrorist attacks and the risks of being caught up in one are miniscule. (I paraphrase here)

[Link]

Seems reasonable, abhor terrorism but don't let it scare you.

I agree, the risk of being caught up in a terrorist attack is relatively small. So is being attacked by extreme right-wingers, extreme communists, homophobes, racists, or being persecuted by extreme gay rights activists, or dying because of government cuts. The chance of practically anything happening to you (apart from death and taxation and hearing Remoaners) is relatively small, so we shouldn't worry, just keep whistling and walk fast.

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Dec 2017 8.58am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 17 8.57am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 We were engaged in a war with IS, we were supporting military operations on the ground with the RAF. Do I think we were right, yes. But then I think that its probably also right, if your the other side, to target the people giving the orders, rather than some kids attending a concert. When we invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussain, was a direct target of US and UK bombing operations. It stands to reason, to target the enemy leaders. This is completely moot. IS have made it plain as day that the targeting of the west would occur anyway and regardless. It's in their literature, plain and bluntly put. All that matters is having the means. If their adherents exist within the population then it's always a matter of numbers and time. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2017 8.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Dec 17 8.57am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

When we invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussain, was a direct target of US and UK bombing operations. It stands to reason, to target the enemy leaders.

This is completely moot.

IS have made it plain as day that the targeting of the west would occur anyway and regardless. It's in their literature, plain and bluntly put.

All that matters is having the means. If their adherents exist within the population then it's always a matter of numbers and time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2017 8.58am)

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 17 9.01am
The chance of being in a car crash is small. It's the law that you wear a seat-belt. A situation of the state protecting its citizens/subjects. The number of Muslims within the country prepared to kill citizens/subjects is small. ....excuses. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Dec 17 9.01am

The chance of being in a car crash is small.

It's the law that you wear a seat-belt. A situation of the state protecting its citizens/subjects.

The number of Muslims within the country prepared to kill citizens/subjects is small.

....excuses.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Dec 17 9.39am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The chance of being in a car crash is small. It's the law that you wear a seat-belt. A situation of the state protecting its citizens/subjects. The number of Muslims within the country prepared to kill citizens/subjects is small. ....excuses. Or, to be precise, the number of a certain type of Muslim.... Shias within the country don't want to kill us, nor do Ismailis, nor do Kurds, nor do Kharjites, nor do Sufis, nor do non-IS/Al Qaeda acolyte Sunnis, nor do Ibadis, nor do the progressive liberals within Islam, etc etc etc. But let's tar them all with the same brush anyhow. It's less cerebrally taxing that way. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Dec 17 9.39am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The chance of being in a car crash is small.

It's the law that you wear a seat-belt. A situation of the state protecting its citizens/subjects.

The number of Muslims within the country prepared to kill citizens/subjects is small.

....excuses.

Or, to be precise, the number of a certain type of Muslim....

Shias within the country don't want to kill us, nor do Ismailis, nor do Kurds, nor do Kharjites, nor do Sufis, nor do non-IS/Al Qaeda acolyte Sunnis, nor do Ibadis, nor do the progressive liberals within Islam, etc etc etc.

But let's tar them all with the same brush anyhow. It's less cerebrally taxing that way.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 17 11.54am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Or, to be precise, the number of a certain type of Muslim.... Shias within the country don't want to kill us, nor do Ismailis, nor do Kurds, nor do Kharjites, nor do Sufis, nor do non-IS/Al Qaeda acolyte Sunnis, nor do Ibadis, nor do the progressive liberals within Islam, etc etc etc. But let's tar them all with the same brush anyhow. It's less cerebrally taxing that way. No, but a significant number of Shias want to ban homosexuals from jobs and a small number agree with killing them and apostates. Shias are also responsible for their share of honour crime and killings and arranged child marriage...It was Shias in Iran who put a death sentence on Salman Rusthdie....it was British tax payer money spent protecting him from British Shias....lets not even think about the antisemitism. But I have no issues with what you say in terms of terrorist attacks on the streets. That's why I say a small number. No one peaceful is tarred by a brush. Are you tarred by the brush when someone of your ethnicity does something then? Only the stupid or those invested in victim culture make this argument....or both. But Shias don't escape the requirement for reform....in my book if not yours. Secular doctrines perhaps not so much.....though they are very much minorities within minorities here. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2017 12.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Dec 17 11.54am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Or, to be precise, the number of a certain type of Muslim....

But let's tar them all with the same brush anyhow. It's less cerebrally taxing that way.

No, but a significant number of Shias want to ban homosexuals from jobs and a small number agree with killing them and apostates. Shias are also responsible for their share of honour crime and killings and arranged child marriage...It was Shias in Iran who put a death sentence on Salman Rusthdie....it was British tax payer money spent protecting him from British Shias....lets not even think about the antisemitism.

But I have no issues with what you say in terms of terrorist attacks on the streets. That's why I say a small number. No one peaceful is tarred by a brush. Are you tarred by the brush when someone of your ethnicity does something then? Only the stupid or those invested in victim culture make this argument....or both.

But Shias don't escape the requirement for reform....in my book if not yours. Secular doctrines perhaps not so much.....though they are very much minorities within minorities here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2017 12.12pm)

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Beanyboysmd 14 Dec 17 12.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Inaction? How many plots have been prevented? Annoyingly, thats one of the best questions anyone can ask and the one you are likely to get the least honest answer on. We dont know, we will never know and anyone who gives an answer is lying. 'As many as you think we have' is the closest thing to a statistic that is in anyway meaningful...
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14 Dec 17 12.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Inaction? How many plots have been prevented?

Annoyingly, thats one of the best questions anyone can ask and the one you are likely to get the least honest answer on. We dont know, we will never know and anyone who gives an answer is lying.

'As many as you think we have' is the closest thing to a statistic that is in anyway meaningful...

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Park Road 15 Dec 17 7.03pm
[Link] Finally An Islamic Imam Speaks out against violence in Islam
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Finally An Islamic Imam Speaks out against violence in Islam

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