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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Sep 17 7.15am | |
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Corbyn's references to terrorism: as well as saying oh, how terrible is it, he said it is "thriving in a world our governments have helped to shape" - all our own fault then. Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 7.26am)
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 17 7.23am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Corbyn's references to terrorism: as well as saying oh, how terrible is it, he said it is "thriving in a world our governments have helped to shape" - all our own fault then. I doubt he said that to Chavez on their cosy beach walks together, while his opponents suffered in jails. Corbyn plays every card out there....He trades in half truths. Labour were 64 seats short of a majority.....lots of them very unprogressive seats....Tall order.....Especially as Corybn isn't going to compromise.....apparently he's 'mainstream'.....but at the same time 'radical'...Strange new world isn't it.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 28 Sep 17 7.26am | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
He supports free movement,and he has said any deal he would do could include free movement. And before you say link link..it was all over the news a couple of weeks back. One thing he said yesterday was that 2017 was the year that politics finally caught up with the 2008 crash. We spent £500 billion bailing out the banks, a political decision which we are still paying for with austerity, with the greatest real wage decline of any major European nation aside from Greece, with drastic cuts to our schools, hospitals and social services. If we have another crash, which is looking increasingly likely, do you think we should spend another £500 billion of taxes on a non-repayable bailout, or should we demand a percentage of that money back from the tax avoiders and start spending it on schools for our kids, hospitals for our parents and social and community services which encourage integration and do something to stop the ethnic divides in our cities? Personally, I think that sort of money will do more to stop the ills of our migrant policy than any amount we spend on stronger borders, counter terrorism or exportation services.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Sep 17 7.43am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
One thing he said yesterday was that 2017 was the year that politics finally caught up with the 2008 crash. We spent £500 billion bailing out the banks, a political decision which we are still paying for with austerity, with the greatest real wage decline of any major European nation aside from Greece, with drastic cuts to our schools, hospitals and social services. If we have another crash, which is looking increasingly likely, do you think we should spend another £500 billion of taxes on a non-repayable bailout, or should we demand a percentage of that money back from the tax avoiders and start spending it on schools for our kids, hospitals for our parents and social and community services which encourage integration and do something to stop the ethnic divides in our cities? Personally, I think that sort of money will do more to stop the ills of our migrant policy than any amount we spend on stronger borders, counter terrorism or exportation services. What do you think would have happened if they (the Labour government) had not bailed out the banks? Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 7.47am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Sep 17 9.06am | |
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Brown and Darling had no option but to bail out the banks regardless of the politics. But using the banks as an instrument of the state as the government is doing has serious long term repercussions for all of us not just immigrants.
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 17 9.23am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brown and Darling had no option but to bail out the banks regardless of the politics. But using the banks as an instrument of the state as the government is doing has serious long term repercussions for all of us not just immigrants. Corbyn is anti EU.....how do you balance that with your pro EU stance?
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serial thriller The Promised Land 28 Sep 17 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
What do you think would have happened if they (the Labour government) had not bailed out the banks? Edited by hedgehog50 (28 Sep 2017 7.47am) Millions would've been made homeless, destitute and impoverished. But had we had a government who had given a conditional bailout, legislating for future profits of the bank to be transferred back to the state, enforced stronger regulation on predatory risky loaning and speculation, we wouldn't now be staring down the barrel of global austerity, another potentially fatal crash and the social divisions, inequality and wage depression we have. Why is it that before 2008, fascist and ultra-nationalist parties across Europe were condemned to the fringes, but now they are leading countries like Hungary, inches from power in France and Greece, and controlling centre-right political discourse in the UK, Germany and elsewhere? I would really like someone on the right to answer that.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 28 Sep 17 10.04am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Corbyn is anti EU.....how do you balance that with your pro EU stance? Ignore it and wait for it to go away, just as Corbyn is doing with his confused claims. Apparently he's the one to bring Remainers and Leavers together. By confused explanations and unlikely outcomes it seems.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Sep 17 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Millions would've been made homeless, destitute and impoverished. But had we had a government who had given a conditional bailout, legislating for future profits of the bank to be transferred back to the state, enforced stronger regulation on predatory risky loaning and speculation, we wouldn't now be staring down the barrel of global austerity, another potentially fatal crash and the social divisions, inequality and wage depression we have. Why is it that before 2008, fascist and ultra-nationalist parties across Europe were condemned to the fringes, but now they are leading countries like Hungary, inches from power in France and Greece, and controlling centre-right political discourse in the UK, Germany and elsewhere? I would really like someone on the right to answer that. Largely due to the disastrous policies of the EU.
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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 17 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I would really like someone on the right to answer that. Why not in front of you?...what's wrong with the back?
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 28 Sep 17 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Millions would've been made homeless, destitute and impoverished. But had we had a government who had given a conditional bailout, legislating for future profits of the bank to be transferred back to the state, enforced stronger regulation on predatory risky loaning and speculation, we wouldn't now be staring down the barrel of global austerity, another potentially fatal crash and the social divisions, inequality and wage depression we have. Why is it that before 2008, fascist and ultra-nationalist parties across Europe were condemned to the fringes, but now they are leading countries like Hungary, inches from power in France and Greece, and controlling centre-right political discourse in the UK, Germany and elsewhere? I would really like someone on the right to answer that. I agree with a lot of that (surprisingly) however, much like with the big companies that avoid paying the tax they should be paying i.e. Costa Google etc, if you start to penalise the big banks that are based here, they will just move thier operation elsewhere, a "take my ball home" mentality if you will. So whilst it might be justified, and sound really good and go down a bundle with Momentum members (how is Gusset ) the reality is utterly different and could lead to much bigger depression than the one the banks initially they caused. With regards to Corbyns speech, the last time I heard that much piss and wind, was when SP was interviewed on the HOL.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Sep 17 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Corbyn is anti EU.....how do you balance that with your pro EU stance? I don't agree with Corbyn on the EU.
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