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dazza Wallington 28 Aug 17 5.20pm | |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
Look at Sam's record without Sahko. 0.85 points a game over 13 games! That's relegation form. Ward and Kelly are both liabilities, and we've had to play them far too often due to a lack of any squad depth. The issue is deeper than simply a change of manager. I agree but with a full pre-season BFS would have soughted this out, I think people forget that when BFS came in yes he had a slow start but he had no pre-season or time he had to use League games to asses his problems, FDB had a whole pre-season to see where his problems were and if the club can't support his changes then you play a system that works and change gradually. I am sorry bu FDB is just as much to blame or are we going to say that the problems at Inter Milan were not his fault either. Just ask one question are you seriously confident as things stand of palace winning in the next 5 games?
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Dangermouse Hastings 28 Aug 17 5.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Yes I agree with a lot of this. My feelings too. We haven't lost because of any system. We've lost because of stupid individual errors, just like we did under Pardew. Need better defenders and a keeper, ones who can concentrate preferably. Edited by Dangermouse (28 Aug 2017 6.06pm)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Aug 17 5.27pm | |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
I don't get why so many people on these boards are focused on one person as though changing him would solve a long term deeper issue. Our record (and it needs to be said again) without Sahko was awful. Sam averaged 0.85 points a game despite spending 30m. That is 32 points over a whole season. Sam Allardyce, who is supposedly streaks ahead of FDB was in relegation form with the exception of one player (who is no longer at the club). That should speak volumes to supporters. Well done to Allardyce for ensuring our safety but we only secured it on the second to last game and we lost 4 of our last 5 games last season so we hardly finished on a 'High'. All we have spent is £8 Mill on a permanent signing and brought in 2 inexperienced loanees so is it any surprise that we haven't started well ?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 28 Aug 17 5.28pm | |
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It's both. Or it's the players and forcing a formation that we can't select 11 players for, so play a few out of position, and at this level you cannot get away with it. Maybe in Holland you can.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 28 Aug 17 5.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Well done to Allardyce for ensuring our safety but we only secured it on the second to last game and we lost 4 of our last 5 games last season so we hardly finished on a 'High'. All we have spent is £8 Mill on a permanent signing and brought in 2 inexperienced loanees so is it any surprise that we haven't started well ? A good reason to go steady in a league and country new to the manager I'd have thought, rather than a radical change and easy areas for opposition to exploit (space behind our supposed wing backs, which is a joke in itself).
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NickinOX Sailing country. 28 Aug 17 5.32pm | |
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Originally posted by dazza
I agree but with a full pre-season BFS would have soughted this out, I think people forget that when BFS came in yes he had a slow start but he had no pre-season or time he had to use League games to asses his problems, FDB had a whole pre-season to see where his problems were and if the club can't support his changes then you play a system that works and change gradually. I am sorry bu FDB is just as much to blame or are we going to say that the problems at Inter Milan were not his fault either. Just ask one question are you seriously confident as things stand of palace winning in the next 5 games?
Look what happened to Inter that year. 4 managers in 12 months! FDB got 12 (?) league games and got 14 points: this was despite the restrictions on the playing squad because of financial irregularities. That's poor by Inter standards, but apart from a short spell by the end of the season they were not much better off, despite two changes of manager. No, but I wouldn't be confident with anyone else in charge right now either. There are too many players stealing a living at the club, and several who would get nowhere near most other teams squads, let alone first teams. By the way, how do you know BFS would have sorted this out? That is conjecture, and his record was not great overall, if you took out our star defender. That problem does not automatically get fixed by better organization in pre-season. I wanted Pellegrino or Silva, as I thought they would do the best with what we had. But the owners saw different, but have not yet really backed the manager with players.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Aug 17 5.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It's both. Or it's the players and forcing a formation that we can't select 11 players for, so play a few out of position, and at this level you cannot get away with it. Maybe in Holland you can. As I mentioned before on HOL and got berated for it, I accept that Ajax hadn't won the title for a few seasons before FDB took over but they are an established top club with a famed academy and infrastructure playing in the Eredivisie.Bit different to our club playing in the far more demanding and challenging PL. Edited by Willo (28 Aug 2017 5.33pm)
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radicalsteve ottawa 28 Aug 17 5.42pm | |
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Yesterday I posted on the 5 FDB errors thread that we should give him or any manager the right resources to be competitive. After looking again at the recording of the match, I feel that even with the right resources FDB will not make it. He is learning on the job and was not the man to hit the ground running as Parish and others were convinced he would. FDB is a manger/coach out of his depth and class. Terrible hiring decision in hindsight, best to admit the brutal facts and move on. Parish and Co continue to make basic leadership errors though, so its not clear to me that whatever they decide will be a better solution. Frankly, the club is in a complete state of Leadership disarray, starting at the top. The Parish mentality stems from the days of survival, both financially and on the pitch. A bold new strategy would be required to stay in the Premiership. The idea that you wait to the last day to sign quality players is totally naive and makes the club mickey mouse in comparison to well run organizations.
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ThatPetrolRelation Ottawa 28 Aug 17 5.46pm | |
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Originally posted by dazza
I agree but with a full pre-season BFS would have soughted this out, I think people forget that when BFS came in yes he had a slow start but he had no pre-season or time he had to use League games to asses his problems, FDB had a whole pre-season to see where his problems were and if the club can't support his changes then you play a system that works and change gradually. I am sorry bu FDB is just as much to blame or are we going to say that the problems at Inter Milan were not his fault either. Just ask one question are you seriously confident as things stand of palace winning in the next 5 games?
BFS, had very poor results till he had Sakho, and I doubt he would have had much joy without Zaha. Zaha drives our offense, and system aside, his injury leaves a giant gap in any managers plans. Maybe BFS would have ground out a 0-0 draw versus Hudderfield, but I doubt it --luck probably would have been the same and Mounie would have scored on a free header. FDB has had one signing, and that signing played one game. This isn't the Hammers Bilic who has been in charge for a while, bought Arnautovic and Chichirito and they are still s***e. Or Bournemouth, who brought in Ake and Begovic and have been s***e. You have to give a new manager more than 5 games, especially with a pretty lackluster squad, and laughable depth that gives him a bench that probably couldn't make the starting 11 in the Championship (bar Cabaye). Edited by ThatPetrolRelation (28 Aug 2017 6.00pm)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Aug 17 5.56pm | |
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Originally posted by radicalsteve
Yesterday I posted on the 5 FDB errors thread that we should give him or any manager the right resources to be competitive. After looking again at the recording of the match, I feel that even with the right resources FDB will not make it. He is learning on the job and was not the man to hit the ground running as Parish and others were convinced he would. FDB is a manger/coach out of his depth and class. Terrible hiring decision in hindsight, best to admit the brutal facts and move on. Parish and Co continue to make basic leadership errors though, so its not clear to me that whatever they decide will be a better solution. Frankly, the club is in a complete state of Leadership disarray, starting at the top. The Parish mentality stems from the days of survival, both financially and on the pitch. A bold new strategy would be required to stay in the Premiership. The idea that you wait to the last day to sign quality players is totally naive and makes the club mickey mouse in comparison to well run organizations. Where is the firm evidence that this is a club strategy in terms of acquiring players ? Often the process of securing one's targets can be really protracted and frustrating with various factors coming in to play so in many instances one cannot blame the club if targets don't 'Get over the line' far quicker. I happen to believe that there will be a plethora of late signings, across the board as the 'Window' come to a close.Will be a busy week for a host of clubs.
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Petereagle Brockley 28 Aug 17 6.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Where is the firm evidence that this is a club strategy in terms of acquiring players ? Often the process of securing one's targets can be really protracted and frustrating with various factors coming in to play so in many instances one cannot blame the club if targets don't 'Get over the line' far quicker. I happen to believe that there will be a plethora of late signings, across the board as the 'Window' come to a close.Will be a busy week for a host of clubs. I think your're right Willo. Problem is that our disastrous start is placing us at a disadvantage compared to currently more boyant rivals such as Stoke or WBA, who are likely to be the preferred choice of players like Burke or Wimmer who we have already missed out on ( and yes I am feeling down!)
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Dangermouse Hastings 28 Aug 17 6.11pm | |
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Like most seasons we have a very good 12/13 players, after that we are struggling. Until our bench improves and Wilf and RLC return any manager would struggle.
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