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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.32am

Originally posted by snytaxx


Absolutely right to point this out Nick, the problem in the there isn't much room for criticism (from the left) considering that if you were to take trumps statement and replace the word 'Virginia' with 'Venezuela' - you basically have Corbyn's statement from a few days earlier. I.e. a generic 'violence is bad' statement without taking responsibility for pasts dealings with said group.

Can't have it both ways good sir!


If you look at the figures on the deaths in Venezuela, most are the result of opposition actions. However this isn't being reported which makes Corbyn's statement about both sides seem a bit hollow. But that's because only half of the story is being told.


But I take your point.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.42am

Pertinent 70 years on.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.43am)

 

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snytaxx Flag London 13 Aug 17 11.16am Send a Private Message to snytaxx Add snytaxx as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


If you look at the figures on the deaths in Venezuela, most are the result of opposition actions. However this isn't being reported which makes Corbyn's statement about both sides seem a bit hollow. But that's because only half of the story is being told.


But I take your point.

Without wanting to sound disrespectful, I don't care about your figures, because it would start to legitimise a notion that some forms of political violence are okay - it isn't.

The other day while sitting on the throne I came up with a theory which I aptly named 'the flying turd analysis'. Do bare with me, because it might be of interest for you to learn while this whole issue utterly stinks on both sides.

It struck me that part of Corbyn's / Trump's problem is that while they themselves might denounce a particular issue or outcome of an issue i.e. they take steps to avoid the incoming political turd which is flying towards them and just let it fly by with a slight whiff of regret (a couple of bad headlines here and there). Some in there camp (Corbynista's and Trump supporters) will attempt to catch the incoming turd in the hopes they can throw it back at their political enemies.

Now, while some of them with the use of facts and figures (like your last post) might try to deflect the incoming 's*** storm' back on to their opponents they still end up inadvertently 'owning' the turd i.e. trying to justify Trump's / Corbyn's viewpoint / history / past dealings with a very questionable faction. And what happens when you try and throw the turd back at the opposition in the form of a hypocritically smarmy response? Well you might put the opposition on the back foot temporarily due to a high velocity piece of excrement flying their way, however you and the person you try and protect (Corbyn) still end up smelling of s*** having just touched a turd.

My advice to you Nick is to let the huge turd of that is the Venezuelan cultural marxist dictatorship fly by and accept the whole thing is / was a rotten idea to begin with - it'll be forgotten in a matter of weeks. Don't try and justify 'your sides' past dealings with such a toxic issue just to you can try and pin a relapse of neo-facism in Virginia on president Trump.

I wish you a turd-free day!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Aug 17 11.17am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Watched the video. Said both sides are as bad as eachother. I'm sorry whilst he may have a point it doesn't address the fact that there are Nazis marching in the US in 2017. There are Nazis deliberately driving a car at speed into a crowd (but it's not a terrorist act!)
I think that Trump's rhetoric (look back at his election rallies. Taking the piss out of disabled people or throwing Muslims out of rallies) has stoked up fascism or fascistic attitudes because they think it's ok because that's the type of stuff the POTUS has said.

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Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.17am)

Could you stop mis-labelling them, they aren't 'Nazis'.

'Nazis', are specific to their time and place....It's just a silly rallying cry. They are the far right from what I can tell....I find it hard to gather up the interest to find out.....But I know they aren't 'Nazis' Nick.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Aug 17 11.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


If you look at the figures on the deaths in Venezuela, most are the result of opposition actions. However this isn't being reported which makes Corbyn's statement about both sides seem a bit hollow. But that's because only half of the story is being told.


But I take your point.

I would genuinely be interested in finding out where you got the evidence for what you say here.

Did you watch the video of people being murdered on the street? Are you saying this is the opposition?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Aug 17 11.25am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Pertinent 70 years on.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.43am)

False equivalency.

All the countries on Trump's travel ban were from Obama's list of problem countries due to their lack of checks on radicals.

 


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Dave58 Flag Ipswich 13 Aug 17 11.25am Send a Private Message to Dave58 Add Dave58 as a friend

The thing I don't like about Trump is the involvement of his family. I know that past presidents have been influenced by the First Lady, but his wife is always in the picture, even at high level summits. His family have all got jobs within the White House. Is he actually running the country or his missus?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 11.28am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would genuinely be interested in finding out where you got the evidence for what you say here.

Did you watch the video of people being murdered on the street? Are you saying this is the opposition?

It's in links on the Venezuela thread.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Aug 17 11.31am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Dave58

The thing I don't like about Trump is the involvement of his family. I know that past presidents have been influenced by the First Lady, but his wife is always in the picture, even at high level summits. His family have all got jobs within the White House. Is he actually running the country or his missus?

It's true but we've had that before....People use to criticise Clinton for his wife. With Trump it's worse though....but I think it's a reflection of his lack of trust. His daughter's views appear to be his moral compass and he relies upon generals a lot....probably because projecting power via a strong foreign policy is far more important to him than domestic policy.

Expect sh1t to happen at some stage.....though a first strike nuclear attack is unlikely from the US.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Aug 17 11.31am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's in links on the Venezuela thread.

That's not good enough.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 11.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's not good enough.

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At least 124 people have died since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began.
Headlines about ongoing violence in Venezuela are practically inescapable, with at least 124 people dead since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began in early April.

In addition to those killed, hundreds have been injured in the protests.

Right-wing opposition leaders have attempted to portray the deaths as examples of state repression and evidence of the "dictatorship" that they are aiming to topple. Mainstream media have by and large echoed this version of events, using titles like “Venezuelan Regime Has Blood On Its Hands” and “Venezuela's Tiananmen Moment."

Some outlets have even gone as far as claiming the elected government of President Nicolas Maduro as engaging in “a campaign of state genocide.”

The reality of the situation on the ground, however, demonstrates something very different.

Here’s a breakdown of those killed since the opposition protests began.

Breakdown is in the link.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 12.06pm

Stirling, even your mate agrees...

 

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