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 Mapletree  Croydon 21 Jun 17 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Transgender? Yup, you too come under my general heading of 'one of us' Cucking.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 17 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
More than true bud. You will have to provide evidence. I will look it over in the morning.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Jun 17 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yup, you too come under my general heading of 'one of us' Cucking. Transphobe
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| .TUX. 21 Jun 17 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You will have to provide evidence. I will look it over in the morning. Once again you ask me to provide evidence for something that you have seen for yourself. You're better than that. #Should'vegonetoSpecsavers
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| Mapletree Croydon 21 Jun 17 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Transphobe These days it's so hard to tell
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| Michaelawt85 Bexley 21 Jun 17 11.26pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Banks are greedy scum as are some landlords. Well said
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 22 Jun 17 1.34am |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
Rah rah rah the young generation are lazy and entitled. Load of s***e. It's incredibly difficult to progress for millennials. People often can't buy a house till their 30s education is incredibly costly and are saddling young people with debt. The job market is oversaturated and productivity is at all time low and that is reflected in real term wages being lower. You could buy a house or be given one by the state on an average low skill job back in the day. Yet they are politically illiterate because they vote against the unfairness of the current system and are angry that older people who have some nostalgic bulls*** view of little England have further damaged their opportunities by things like Brexit. Whether or not they know how to use an iPad or don't like the smiths has nothing to do with it. It was incredibly difficult for my parents to buy a house, my mother's wages were not taken into account (because she was a woman). Neither were educated at uni, it was unheard of. However, they bought a house, on my father's gas meter reader/collector wage. They coped, me and my brother went without luxuries to afford it. When I left school, UB40 were a popular reggae band (google UB40 meaning/naming), but I managed to get work as a carpenter's assistant, saved, and could afford my house by my late 20's. I didn't get state funded uni, it wasn't for working class people. I coped, the kids had to go without luxuries though, as it was incredibly difficult. Why is it so different for the yoof of today? Why do they think state funded education gives them a better start? It seems to me it is more a matter of wanting everything now, rather than actually working for it. Being educated in a subject on paper is not the same as doing a job. It is worlds apart. Labour sent them all to Uni, and while they were learning throwaway degrees, opened the borders for migrant workers. Now they are in a position which has never happened before. Overqualified to do the jobs which the migrants are more than happy to do. The need to drop the 'entitled' tag, and knuckle down like we had to.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 1.54am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And football is a surrogate for beating each other about the head with rocks. Much as I love Palace, the interests of my family come first and my 'politics' reflects that.Tribalism begins at home for me. We share lots of common ground and previous to a former conversation I understand your choices for your children....but it doesn't chance the fact that grammar schools are still an unfairness. Luck plays a significant factor in any success story and so if you are going with 'I'm alright Jack' I'm not entirely sure why those in lesser positions should listen. Equality of opportunity not outcome. We should all support moving towards a level playing field. That's the only honest way to a meritocracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.00am)
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 2.07am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
It was incredibly difficult for my parents to buy a house, my mother's wages were not taken into account (because she was a woman). Neither were educated at uni, it was unheard of. However, they bought a house, on my father's gas meter reader/collector wage. They coped, me and my brother went without luxuries to afford it. When I left school, UB40 were a popular reggae band (google UB40 meaning/naming), but I managed to get work as a carpenter's assistant, saved, and could afford my house by my late 20's. I didn't get state funded uni, it wasn't for working class people. I coped, the kids had to go without luxuries though, as it was incredibly difficult. Why is it so different for the yoof of today? Why do they think state funded education gives them a better start? It seems to me it is more a matter of wanting everything now, rather than actually working for it. Being educated in a subject on paper is not the same as doing a job. It is worlds apart. Labour sent them all to Uni, and while they were learning throwaway degrees, opened the borders for migrant workers. Now they are in a position which has never happened before. Overqualified to do the jobs which the migrants are more than happy to do. The need to drop the 'entitled' tag, and knuckle down like we had to. Well what you did was laudable. However while I recognise that some of the moaning comes from the usual suspects of entitlement this isn't the same as saying that there aren't significant unfairnesses for youth today compared to your and mine's generation. The ability to afford a house is a massive advantage...The fact that this isn't a realistic option for many of those that aren't from middle class families and starts isn't a trivial matter ..Are you seriously suggesting that most people starting in carpentry on one person's wages can afford a house in their late twenties now? Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.08am)
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coulsdoneagle  London 22 Jun 17 2.17am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
It was incredibly difficult for my parents to buy a house, my mother's wages were not taken into account (because she was a woman). Neither were educated at uni, it was unheard of. However, they bought a house, on my father's gas meter reader/collector wage. They coped, me and my brother went without luxuries to afford it. When I left school, UB40 were a popular reggae band (google UB40 meaning/naming), but I managed to get work as a carpenter's assistant, saved, and could afford my house by my late 20's. I didn't get state funded uni, it wasn't for working class people. I coped, the kids had to go without luxuries though, as it was incredibly difficult. Why is it so different for the yoof of today? Why do they think state funded education gives them a better start? It seems to me it is more a matter of wanting everything now, rather than actually working for it. Being educated in a subject on paper is not the same as doing a job. It is worlds apart. Labour sent them all to Uni, and while they were learning throwaway degrees, opened the borders for migrant workers. Now they are in a position which has never happened before. Overqualified to do the jobs which the migrants are more than happy to do. The need to drop the 'entitled' tag, and knuckle down like we had to. Point is there is little to no chance that you could live and save enough as a carpenters assistant in london to buy and own your house in your late 20s today. It's just won't happen. It's not a question of just knuckling down. The older generation don't have some magic work ethic that is missing from today's 'yoof' that's just not true. It was measurably easier to get on the housing market and own a home with less money and lower skilled work than it is today. My sister is a qualified osteopath she went to the same university as my uncle and graduated at the same age and went in to work at the same practice he started at. She got on the housing market at 31 in a place she can barely afford in caterham, he did so much younger and got a place in Fulham and it's value has gone up so much that he is absolutely set. No amount of work ethic can change the s***ty hand that has been dealt to the younger generation with regards to homeownership which is a huge part of going forward in life. I'm not saying it was easy in the 70s and that people didn't have to work hard. The economy in the 70s was flatlining there wasn't money like there is today in the economy but the young people are not seeing that money. People used to go to uni because it was seen as a path to success it's always been seen as a way to make a life. These people were told to go to uni to get a job, now we are like you said overqualified in an oversaturated market. The system hasn't caught up to that, there are not enough jobs to go around because productivity has stalled and quite frankly there isn't enough to go around in terms of property and jobs. When we grew up we were told that these aspirations that were given to our parents generation 'go to uni work hard at school an you will get a good job' and it turns out it's not true. Currently despite how hard I worked and went to a great uni with a decent degree after going to a state school I'm struggling to get a job that pays rent let alone let's me save. I'm able to get a 'graduate' job if I'm lucky that still pays competitive (s***) money and maybe will be able to get a house of my own in london the city I have lived in my whole life when I'm 35.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 17 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
It was incredibly difficult for my parents to buy a house, my mother's wages were not taken into account (because she was a woman). Neither were educated at uni, it was unheard of. However, they bought a house, on my father's gas meter reader/collector wage. They coped, me and my brother went without luxuries to afford it. Well yes, that's pretty much how my parents afforded their first house as well. My dad did some private work to earn extra cash and my mum took on part time work. My grandparents lent them money towards a deposit and Dads employer helped out by knocking 500 off the price of the house (they were selling off their tied properties). We had beds and an old sofa when we moved in. Mostly we sat on crates and boxes etc and slowly filled the house over the years with furnishings. I think the big difference is that had that been now, there is absolutely no way on their income they could have bought that house. For the record, that was a house in Henley on Thames, that's market value is around 350k for a two bedroom terrace house.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 17 10.19am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We share lots of common ground and previous to a former conversation I understand your choices for your children....but it doesn't chance the fact that grammar schools are still an unfairness. Luck plays a significant factor in any success story and so if you are going with 'I'm alright Jack' I'm not entirely sure why those in lesser positions should listen. Equality of opportunity not outcome. We should all support moving towards a level playing field. That's the only honest way to a meritocracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.00am) Absolutely, I only have a decent career because I split up with a girlfriend I worked with, who then started going out with my boss. I just went down to Manpower, and said I'd do anything that paid more than 4.50 an hour. I got a temp job working for Fujitsu as a document controller, and 17 years on have carved out a career in IT. At the time IT was booming, and it was almost impossible to get experienced staff. I was working for 7.50 a hour in a team where everyone else earned 250-750 a day. I saw this as maybe being something I could do! After all, it beats earning 4.50 a hour to work on domestic violence and sex cases. The latter part involved some hard work on my behalf, but in truth a sequence of chance events and decisions (not all my own) resulted in me ending up in the right place.
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