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npn Crowborough 13 Aug 15 5.29pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.54pm Quote We are goin up! at 13 Aug 2015 4.15pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm Indeed At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs. Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory). As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie. See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user. The advantage of state ownership of power companies is that you can control prices (if necessary by subsidization), so that power and transport for citizens is recouped through the taxation they pay, rather than privately (ie like the NHS, free at point of use). In terms of transport it encourages less use of vehicles, reduces traffic congestion etc. It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced) Personally I agree with a system where in the state actually owns operates and is accountable for the apparatus of state such as the utilities (essential functions for daily existence), and makes them available to all. Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives. Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers! Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it. So public ownership - yes Free service - No
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Crowborough 13 Aug 15 5.29pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.54pm

Quote We are goin up! at 13 Aug 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm

Indeed

At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs.

Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory).

As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie.

See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user.

The advantage of state ownership of power companies is that you can control prices (if necessary by subsidization), so that power and transport for citizens is recouped through the taxation they pay, rather than privately (ie like the NHS, free at point of use). In terms of transport it encourages less use of vehicles, reduces traffic congestion etc.

It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced)

Personally I agree with a system where in the state actually owns operates and is accountable for the apparatus of state such as the utilities (essential functions for daily existence), and makes them available to all.

Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives.

Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers!

Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it.

So public ownership - yes
Free service - No

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 5.32pm
Quote npn at 13 Aug 2015 5.29pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.54pm Quote We are goin up! at 13 Aug 2015 4.15pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm Indeed At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs. Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory). As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie. See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user. The advantage of state ownership of power companies is that you can control prices (if necessary by subsidization), so that power and transport for citizens is recouped through the taxation they pay, rather than privately (ie like the NHS, free at point of use). In terms of transport it encourages less use of vehicles, reduces traffic congestion etc. It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced) Personally I agree with a system where in the state actually owns operates and is accountable for the apparatus of state such as the utilities (essential functions for daily existence), and makes them available to all. Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives. Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers! Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it. So public ownership - yes Free service - No As an aside, with the mention of free service...perhaps instead of striking, tube workers should just throw open the gates and let people get to their destinations for nothing!
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Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 5.32pm

Quote npn at 13 Aug 2015 5.29pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.54pm

Quote We are goin up! at 13 Aug 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm

Indeed

At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs.

See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user.

It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced)

Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives.

Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it.

So public ownership - yes
Free service - No

As an aside, with the mention of free service...perhaps instead of striking, tube workers should just throw open the gates and let people get to their destinations for nothing!

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 7.20pm
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reborn 13 Aug 15 7.28pm
Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn. As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for. Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid). And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected. Please god let him win. Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm) Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles. My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm

Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn.

As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for.

Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid).

And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected.

Please god let him win.

Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm)

Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles.

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 7.40pm
Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.28pm Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn. As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for. Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid). And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected. Please god let him win. Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm) Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles. We do need a robust opposition, one with different ideas.
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Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 7.40pm

Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.28pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm

Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn.

As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for.

Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid).

And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected.

Please god let him win.

Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm)

Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles.

We do need a robust opposition, one with different ideas.

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Palacetinian Surrey Fam 13 Aug 15 8.37pm
Our own Mark Steel has a couple of interesting articles on Corbyn and the Labour leadership... [Link] [Link] He states (extract)... "He said the rejection notice did not explain specifically why he had been barred from voting. “It’s a standard thing that clearly goes out to everyone. It says there are two reasons [for rejection]. One is that you don’t support the ideals and values of the Labour party. Or you are a member of a rival organisation,” Steel said. “I can’t think what that can be, unless it’s Crystal Palace Football Club or my local snooker club in Croydon. Maybe my snooker club is fielding candidates. “It’s because they have looked at it and gone ‘just no’. I think it has gone to the local party to look at applications to see if they can find anyone that’s considered suspicious. I suppose that someone in the Labour party locally has gone, ‘not him’." Supporting Crystal Palace since 19.45 on 29th August 1972 (approximately)!
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Surrey Fam 13 Aug 15 8.37pm

Our own Mark Steel has a couple of interesting articles on Corbyn and the Labour leadership...

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He states (extract)...

"He said the rejection notice did not explain specifically why he had been barred from voting.

“It’s a standard thing that clearly goes out to everyone. It says there are two reasons [for rejection]. One is that you don’t support the ideals and values of the Labour party. Or you are a member of a rival organisation,” Steel said.

“I can’t think what that can be, unless it’s Crystal Palace Football Club or my local snooker club in Croydon. Maybe my snooker club is fielding candidates.

“It’s because they have looked at it and gone ‘just no’. I think it has gone to the local party to look at applications to see if they can find anyone that’s considered suspicious. I suppose that someone in the Labour party locally has gone, ‘not him’."

Supporting Crystal Palace since 19.45 on 29th August 1972 (approximately)!

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The White Horse 14 Aug 15 2.20am
It amazes me that a membership that preferred David Miliband over Ed is now voting for Jeremy Corbyn & Andy Burnham over Yvette Cooper & Liz Kendall. Obviously the election will be decided by the £3 trots and the union members, but I find the complicity of members who have repeatedly watched the party get f***ed astonishing. "The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee
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It amazes me that a membership that preferred David Miliband over Ed is now voting for Jeremy Corbyn & Andy Burnham over Yvette Cooper & Liz Kendall.

Obviously the election will be decided by the £3 trots and the union members, but I find the complicity of members who have repeatedly watched the party get f***ed astonishing.

"The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee

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Stirlingsays 14 Aug 15 3.23am
Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 7.20pm [Link] 'A BRITISH political party, founded over 100 years ago by socialists is ‘being infiltrated by socialists.’ Ah modern life. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Aug 15 3.23am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 7.20pm

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'A BRITISH political party, founded over 100 years ago by socialists is ‘being infiltrated by socialists.’

Ah modern life.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 14 Aug 15 3.26am
Quote npn at 13 Aug 2015 5.29pm Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers! Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it. So public ownership - yes Free service - No I'm curious npn......Do you have some German heritage? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Aug 15 3.26am

Quote npn at 13 Aug 2015 5.29pm

Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers!

Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it.

So public ownership - yes
Free service - No

I'm curious npn......Do you have some German heritage?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 9.27am
Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 7.40pm Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.28pm Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn. As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for. Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid). And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected. Please god let him win. Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm) Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles. We do need a robust opposition, one that win the heart and minds of the electorate, not just wimmin from Greenham Common, and the unions. Thats more like it "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 9.27am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 7.40pm

Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.28pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm

Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn.

As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for.

Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid).

And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected.

Please god let him win.

Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm)

Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles.

We do need a robust opposition, one that win the heart and minds of the electorate, not just wimmin from Greenham Common, and the unions.

Thats more like it

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 14 Aug 15 9.43am
Quote The White Horse at 14 Aug 2015 2.20am It amazes me that a membership that preferred David Miliband over Ed is now voting for Jeremy Corbyn & Andy Burnham over Yvette Cooper & Liz Kendall. Obviously the election will be decided by the £3 trots and the union members, but I find the complicity of members who have repeatedly watched the party get f***ed astonishing. Exactly. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote The White Horse at 14 Aug 2015 2.20am

It amazes me that a membership that preferred David Miliband over Ed is now voting for Jeremy Corbyn & Andy Burnham over Yvette Cooper & Liz Kendall.

Obviously the election will be decided by the £3 trots and the union members, but I find the complicity of members who have repeatedly watched the party get f***ed astonishing.

Exactly.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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matt_himself Matataland 14 Aug 15 9.52am
A portent for Corbyn? [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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A portent for Corbyn?

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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