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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jul 15 4.17pm

I meant one example of post colonial failure.

What about some other examples, or are you just going to use Zimambwe as justification for your seeming desire to be like what we was in the old days with our empire and what not.

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 27 Jul 15 4.29pm

Quote nickgusset at 27 Jul 2015 4.17pm

I meant one example of post colonial failure.

What about some other examples, or are you just going to use Zimambwe as justification for your seeming desire to be like what we was in the old days with our empire and what not.

I let that right wing firebrand, Peter Tatchell, answer: "Expose Mugabe as a liberation hero turned blood-thirsty tyrant. Allow the whole world to hear about this crimes and see what a monster he has become - Ian Smith with a black face, only many times worse."

 


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fed up eagle Flag Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 27 Jul 15 4.38pm Send a Private Message to fed up eagle Add fed up eagle as a friend

Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Jul 2015 2.55pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 2.47pm

The reason that everyone wants to come here is that they know we have a generous benefits system, lax borders that you could drive a bulldozer through un-noticed and soft politicians who are scared of their own shadow and are petrified of being branded racist. Some people are so ashamed of our illustrious past that they denounce everything that is great about Britain and are hell bent on changing the social make up of this country. These politicians are usually the left leaning kind.
They should remember that this country has done some great things, we won battles that we probably shouldn't have, we punched well above our weight. We had great inventors, scientists and engineers, but just because the left is ashamed to be British we have this ludicrous situation where we can't control who's coming in. Blair and Brown should be shot for deliberate dereliction of duty the way they abandoned the borders of this country. The damage is now irreversible.

We really don't. In order to claim UK benefits you have to have worked here for at least three years or be considered for Asylum (those considered candidates for Asylum are forbidden by law from employment in the UK, meaning the state necessitates paying them welfare benefits - irrespective of how qualified they actually are).

The UK Borders are much harder to get through than almost any of the European countries, the problem has been that our Border forces have been using an antiquated system that was supposed to have been replaced by 1996 - its was finally replaced at the end of 2014, and even that system is just a fix. The UK has also always been reluctant to become directly involved in the idea of a European police force and databases etc.

We're exceptionally fortunate we're an island nation and points of ingress are limited.

Problem of the UK, we often claim we want something, but then we never actually want to pay for it (which applies to left and right wing).



I'm pretty sure that's not the case if you're an immigrant from the EU.

 

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fed up eagle Flag Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 27 Jul 15 4.47pm Send a Private Message to fed up eagle Add fed up eagle as a friend

Quote npn at 27 Jul 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Jul 2015 2.39pm

Quote npn at 27 Jul 2015 2.31pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 27 Jul 2015 2.26pm

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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 Jul 2015 1.44pm

I'm literally foaming at the mouth.....If I look in the mirror I've no doubt that my eyes would be swiveling.

In polite response to this.....No thanks.


But why?

Another debate, I know, but if not for this sort of thing, what is the EU for?

Why?

Control of our own immigration is why.

We should take a set number of valid asylum cases that relates to our capacity to provide for them.

I'm not in for the race to increase the disadvantage for our own poor to provide for other country's poor.....Beyond a set amount we can cope with.

Are you aware of the size of waiting lists for social housing in this country?

The poor here are being constantly f*cked as it is.



Isn't that precisely what I'm suggesting? A set number or percentage, meaning no more do we have people camping out in Calais to get over here (because it will make no difference where they apply in relation to where they end up)

I think its very important to distinguish between Asylum cases, and people who are intending to enter the UK illegally. A lot of the people trying to smuggle themselves into the UK via Calais are people who have been returned from the UK Ports or rejected Asylum in France, and gone on the run.

Most of these people won't be getting into the UK and claiming asylum, they'll be going to work illegally.



and those ones can obviously f**k right off!

And some of these Eastern European ones like Roma gypsies, Romanians and Bulgarians can f**k right off too.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Jul 15 4.48pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 4.38pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Jul 2015 2.55pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 2.47pm

The reason that everyone wants to come here is that they know we have a generous benefits system, lax borders that you could drive a bulldozer through un-noticed and soft politicians who are scared of their own shadow and are petrified of being branded racist. Some people are so ashamed of our illustrious past that they denounce everything that is great about Britain and are hell bent on changing the social make up of this country. These politicians are usually the left leaning kind.
They should remember that this country has done some great things, we won battles that we probably shouldn't have, we punched well above our weight. We had great inventors, scientists and engineers, but just because the left is ashamed to be British we have this ludicrous situation where we can't control who's coming in. Blair and Brown should be shot for deliberate dereliction of duty the way they abandoned the borders of this country. The damage is now irreversible.

We really don't. In order to claim UK benefits you have to have worked here for at least three years or be considered for Asylum (those considered candidates for Asylum are forbidden by law from employment in the UK, meaning the state necessitates paying them welfare benefits - irrespective of how qualified they actually are).

The UK Borders are much harder to get through than almost any of the European countries, the problem has been that our Border forces have been using an antiquated system that was supposed to have been replaced by 1996 - its was finally replaced at the end of 2014, and even that system is just a fix. The UK has also always been reluctant to become directly involved in the idea of a European police force and databases etc.

We're exceptionally fortunate we're an island nation and points of ingress are limited.

Problem of the UK, we often claim we want something, but then we never actually want to pay for it (which applies to left and right wing).



I'm pretty sure that's not the case if you're an immigrant from the EU.

Its the case if your a migrant from the EU. If you're not from the EU you have to be a UK Citizen in order to claim benefits, or have an valid asylum claim pending (Or have been on a working visa for more than three years in the UK).

Notably in both cases, three years only means you may be able to claim, and the amount of time you can claim is limited.


 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jul 15 4.49pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 27 Jul 2015 4.29pm

Quote nickgusset at 27 Jul 2015 4.17pm

I meant one example of post colonial failure.

What about some other examples, or are you just going to use Zimambwe as justification for your seeming desire to be like what we was in the old days with our empire and what not.

I let that right wing firebrand, Peter Tatchell, answer: "Expose Mugabe as a liberation hero turned blood-thirsty tyrant. Allow the whole world to hear about this crimes and see what a monster he has become - Ian Smith with a black face, only many times worse."

That doesn't answer the question.

 

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legaleagle Flag 27 Jul 15 4.52pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 27 Jul 2015 4.02pm


Wow, I didn't realise Zimbabwe was such an attractive utopia. I'm surprised the asylum seekers in the Med and at Calais are not clamouring to go there - any ideas why not? Perhaps Bob should stand for leadership of the Labour Party so they we can benefit from his wise leadership, or perhaps he is not left wing enough? I expect he might lose one or two gay votes too.

Irrelevant to your posts,but don't let that interfere with anything.Your posts were about how Zimbabwe was "better" when it was S. Rhodesia;it wasn't.QED.

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 27 Jul 15 5.04pm

Quote legaleagle at 27 Jul 2015 4.52pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 27 Jul 2015 4.02pm


Wow, I didn't realise Zimbabwe was such an attractive utopia. I'm surprised the asylum seekers in the Med and at Calais are not clamouring to go there - any ideas why not? Perhaps Bob should stand for leadership of the Labour Party so they we can benefit from his wise leadership, or perhaps he is not left wing enough? I expect he might lose one or two gay votes too.

Irrelevant to your posts,but don't let that interfere with anything.Your posts were about how Zimbabwe was "better" when it was S. Rhodesia;it wasn't.QED.

Oh yes it was. QED

 


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legaleagle Flag 27 Jul 15 5.13pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 2.47pm

The reason that everyone wants to come here is that they know we have a generous benefits system, lax borders that you could drive a bulldozer through un-noticed and soft politicians who are scared of their own shadow and are petrified of being branded racist. Some people are so ashamed of our illustrious past that they denounce everything that is great about Britain and are hell bent on changing the social make up of this country. These politicians are usually the left leaning kind.
They should remember that this country has done some great things, we won battles that we probably shouldn't have, we punched well above our weight. We had great inventors, scientists and engineers, but just because the left is ashamed to be British we have this ludicrous situation where we can't control who's coming in. Blair and Brown should be shot for deliberate dereliction of duty the way they abandoned the borders of this country. The damage is now irreversible.


So,Brown and Blair "abandoned the borders of this country" with the result that "we cant control who's coming in".,did they?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about beyond blind prejudice?

If you are referring to EU freedom of movement,the roots of E European EU immigration lie in Margaret Thatcher's speech in Bruges as PM in 1988 and the Maastrict Treaty under Major's watch.

As Tory MEP Roger Helmer put it in 2002 (well after Blair came to power):

"We are in favour of it (the EU enlargement) , for three reasons. First, we owe a moral debt to the countries of central and eastern Europe, which were allowed to fall under the pall of communism after the second world war. Second, by entrenching democracy and the rule of law in eastern Europe, we ensure stability and security for the future. Third, an extra hundred million people in our single market may be a short-term liability, but long term will contribute to growth and prosperity."

If you are talking about granting asylum to refugees,the rights are based on a UN Convention signed in 1951,not as one might think from reading your opinions,1997-2010.

If you are talking about neither,but non-EU economic migrants,that's a situation spanning well beyond the UK at the present time,with other countries taking a heavier brunt,and about as closely linked to Blair/Brown,as your expressed views are to the objective.

Under the (non Labour) Coalition's spending review,the UK Border Agency was required to implement cuts of 23%.

The current situation in Calais results somewhat more from events in France,events within the wider EU,and events further afield,rather than from lack of border controls by the UK,whether under the last Labour government or otherwise.


Edited by legaleagle (27 Jul 2015 5.20pm)

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 27 Jul 15 6.02pm

Quote legaleagle at 27 Jul 2015 5.13pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 2.47pm

The reason that everyone wants to come here is that they know we have a generous benefits system, lax borders that you could drive a bulldozer through un-noticed and soft politicians who are scared of their own shadow and are petrified of being branded racist. Some people are so ashamed of our illustrious past that they denounce everything that is great about Britain and are hell bent on changing the social make up of this country. These politicians are usually the left leaning kind.
They should remember that this country has done some great things, we won battles that we probably shouldn't have, we punched well above our weight. We had great inventors, scientists and engineers, but just because the left is ashamed to be British we have this ludicrous situation where we can't control who's coming in. Blair and Brown should be shot for deliberate dereliction of duty the way they abandoned the borders of this country. The damage is now irreversible.


So,Brown and Blair "abandoned the borders of this country" with the result that "we cant control who's coming in".,did they?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about beyond blind prejudice?

If you are referring to EU freedom of movement,the roots of E European EU immigration lie in Margaret Thatcher's speech in Bruges as PM in 1988 and the Maastrict Treaty under Major's watch.

As Tory MEP Roger Helmer put it in 2002 (well after Blair came to power):

"We are in favour of it (the EU enlargement) , for three reasons. First, we owe a moral debt to the countries of central and eastern Europe, which were allowed to fall under the pall of communism after the second world war. Second, by entrenching democracy and the rule of law in eastern Europe, we ensure stability and security for the future. Third, an extra hundred million people in our single market may be a short-term liability, but long term will contribute to growth and prosperity."

If you are talking about granting asylum to refugees,the rights are based on a UN Convention signed in 1951,not as one might think from reading your opinions,1997-2010.

If you are talking about neither,but non-EU economic migrants,that's a situation spanning well beyond the UK at the present time,with other countries taking a heavier brunt,and about as closely linked to Blair/Brown,as your expressed views are to the objective.

Under the (non Labour) Coalition's spending review,the UK Border Agency was required to implement cuts of 23%.

The current situation in Calais results somewhat more from events in France,events within the wider EU,and events further afield,rather than from lack of border controls by the UK,whether under the last Labour government or otherwise.

Edited by legaleagle (27 Jul 2015 5.20pm)

Most of your post make me laugh - but this takes the biscuit.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 27 Jul 15 6.43pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 27 Jul 2015 6.02pm

Quote legaleagle at 27 Jul 2015 5.13pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 2.47pm

The reason that everyone wants to come here is that they know we have a generous benefits system, lax borders that you could drive a bulldozer through un-noticed and soft politicians who are scared of their own shadow and are petrified of being branded racist. Some people are so ashamed of our illustrious past that they denounce everything that is great about Britain and are hell bent on changing the social make up of this country. These politicians are usually the left leaning kind.
They should remember that this country has done some great things, we won battles that we probably shouldn't have, we punched well above our weight. We had great inventors, scientists and engineers, but just because the left is ashamed to be British we have this ludicrous situation where we can't control who's coming in. Blair and Brown should be shot for deliberate dereliction of duty the way they abandoned the borders of this country. The damage is now irreversible.


So,Brown and Blair "abandoned the borders of this country" with the result that "we cant control who's coming in".,did they?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about beyond blind prejudice?

If you are referring to EU freedom of movement,the roots of E European EU immigration lie in Margaret Thatcher's speech in Bruges as PM in 1988 and the Maastrict Treaty under Major's watch.

As Tory MEP Roger Helmer put it in 2002 (well after Blair came to power):

"We are in favour of it (the EU enlargement) , for three reasons. First, we owe a moral debt to the countries of central and eastern Europe, which were allowed to fall under the pall of communism after the second world war. Second, by entrenching democracy and the rule of law in eastern Europe, we ensure stability and security for the future. Third, an extra hundred million people in our single market may be a short-term liability, but long term will contribute to growth and prosperity."

If you are talking about granting asylum to refugees,the rights are based on a UN Convention signed in 1951,not as one might think from reading your opinions,1997-2010.

If you are talking about neither,but non-EU economic migrants,that's a situation spanning well beyond the UK at the present time,with other countries taking a heavier brunt,and about as closely linked to Blair/Brown,as your expressed views are to the objective.

Under the (non Labour) Coalition's spending review,the UK Border Agency was required to implement cuts of 23%.

The current situation in Calais results somewhat more from events in France,events within the wider EU,and events further afield,rather than from lack of border controls by the UK,whether under the last Labour government or otherwise.

Edited by legaleagle (27 Jul 2015 5.20pm)

Most of your post make me laugh - but this takes the biscuit.


That also provided me with a chuckle

 


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legaleagle Flag 27 Jul 15 6.47pm

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Edited by legaleagle (27 Jul 2015 6.50pm)

 

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