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Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?
1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here? It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.
Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm) Those 1m Brits in Spain are propping up what remains of their economy. 3870 Spanish on benefits in Britain, 2973 British on benefits in Spain. Next question...
Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.57pm)
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 07 May 15 7.56pm |
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May I just add its nice to see the left demolished in a debate with no one resorting to the obvious. (i.e. slamming Blaire and the massive tool Brown). Anyway this debate has been won by the right, hopefully the election will be to. Ta ta.
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Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?
1 British person in Poland is on benefits. How many Polish do you think are on benefits here? It's a two way street, but it's not an even burden.
Es verdad. Sea un calle con dos caminos. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.47pm) I saw that documentary "Last Brits Standing" where they showed old Brits going to the Spanish doctor and getting free healthcare while embarassingly not speaking a word of Spanish. What they didn't mention is that Britain contributes £250m a year to the Spanish health budget to help them cover it. How much do you think the Slovakian and Polish governments are contributing to the NHS? I didn't see that documentary so you perhaps have more knowledge.
250,000,000 divided by 750,000 = not a huge amount actually for a year's healthcare. Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 6.07pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 07 May 15 8.21pm |
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Grauniad and EU-funded UCL research groups (regurgitated by C4) matter not one iota when you cannot confront the fundamental metric of economic strength: the fractional change in GDP. The figures are there plain as day: pre 1995 : 3% growth, 50,000 net immigration max Hold on, are you actually saying that immigration is the cause of the recession? Jesus, that sounds like the sort of nonsense goebels used to churn out. I once got a leaflet through my door in an election some years ago. It proudly bore a swastika and said only one thing: "inflation is Jewish". That had more logic and honesty than the pseudo scientific garbage you have spouted. Seriously, is there any humane way to just turn you off? Eh? Is reading comprehension not your strong point? Great hyperbole though. So I'm a nazi by association? "pseudo scientific garbage": I suggest you read my previous post. The figures I have quoted are correct, as measured by the ONS et al. Suggesting I state that immigration is the cause of the recession is about as far off the mark as Puncheon's penalty was. I apologise if I misread your argument. Thus, for clarity, could you please confirm the point you were trying to make that is plain as day and supported by the stats you cite?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 May 15 8.24pm |
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Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 7.56pm
May I just add its nice to see the left demolished in a debate with no one resorting to the obvious. (i.e. slamming Blaire and the massive tool Brown). Anyway this debate has been won by the right, hopefully the election will be to. Ta ta.
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| TUX redhill 07 May 15 8.36pm |
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Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 7.56pm
May I just add its nice to see the left demolished in a debate with no one resorting to the obvious. (i.e. slamming Blaire and the massive tool Brown). Anyway this debate has been won by the right, hopefully the election will be to. Ta ta.
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| lankygit Lincoln 07 May 15 8.38pm |
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Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 7.56pm
May I just add its nice to see the left demolished in a debate with no one resorting to the obvious. (i.e. slamming Blaire and the massive tool Brown). Anyway this debate has been won by the right, hopefully the election will be to. Ta ta.
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| davenotamonkey 07 May 15 9.20pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm
Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm
Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What a relief UKIP are not offering either of these stances then (despite desperate attempts by the left to suggest they do).
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| silvertop Portishead 07 May 15 9.24pm |
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Quote davenotamonkey at 07 May 2015 9.20pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm
Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm
Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What a relief UKIP are not offering either of these stances then (despite desperate attempts by the left to suggest they do). For (not) the last time, ukip restrictions don't just offend the left, they offend the right too as they demand restrictions on the free movement of resources.
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| davenotamonkey 07 May 15 9.30pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 07 May 2015 5.36pm
Quote Kermit8 at 07 May 2015 5.29pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm
Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm
Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What border controls do we have regarding EU immigration?
Edited by Kermit8 (07 May 2015 5.30pm) How many millions of British people have moved to Poland and Romania, Kermit? How many are in Bulgaria taking advantage of the healthcare system? Free movement is fine when everyone is around the same economic level. When poor people are allowed to move to rich countries they tend to do so in droves. And who can blame them? It's fine if you live in a nice well off bit of the country somewhere. Not so great if you're not that well off yourself, have received a poor education from your sh*tty local comprehensive and have in addition to your lack of skills a sense of entitlement because for decades do-gooding bleeding heart liberals have abolished the Protestant work ethic. Here you go: Poland: 2 (yes, two people) Note: this is to receive the same level of care/benefits as a Polish citizen does. I'll make the, ahem, assumption, that you get the same generous handouts over there as you do here.
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| Mapletree Croydon 07 May 15 9.33pm |
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As a matter of interest, Polish healthcare is excellent. And we do have medical migrants going to the Czech Republic and to Hungary.
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| davenotamonkey 07 May 15 9.33pm |
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Quote silvertop at 07 May 2015 9.24pm
Quote davenotamonkey at 07 May 2015 9.20pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 4.41pm
Quote dannyh at 07 May 2015 4.14pm
Right enough of this shyte. Who thinks uncontrolled boarders or unchecked immigration to the UK would be a good thing for the economy ? As an aside I have read through the posts on here and whilst being totally dismissive of derban's points, not one person has effectively argued against them. Derban I doff my cap mate. Well Played Sir. Thats not the choice though is it. That's resorting to a kind of strawman argument, in which you justify something by presenting the only alternative as an absurd notion (essentially a rhetorical statement, because only very stupid people would believe in no border controls). The question really about to what extent does immigration benefit the country, and the best balance between the benefits and problems generated. The sad problem of the UK, is that it often sees only polarised arguments, both of which are equally stupid (ie Free migration or stop all migration or send em all back). What a relief UKIP are not offering either of these stances then (despite desperate attempts by the left to suggest they do). For (not) the last time, ukip restrictions don't just offend the left, they offend the right too as they demand restrictions on the free movement of resources.
Meanwhile, a skills and demand-led immigration policy just seems like common sense to me. Somewhat lacking around these parts.
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