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TUX Flag redhill 16 Mar 15 8.24pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 15 Mar 2015 11.58pm

Thanks for the compliment.I take your general point,though the example to millions bit had nothing whatsoever to do with petitions etc.Fact is in our culture today a C list sleb like Clarkson is looked at as a role model by many,however naff that is,including lots of kids.He craved the media spotlight so he (and his admirers) can't complain at the downside.

If that happened where I work (or within the media companies that I've worked with),I suspect whomever did it would be out,particularly if they were already on a "final warning" and it would definitely be a big deal within the workplace with those in charge feeling they had to act.Don't see any reason for it to be different cause its a popular sleb who has a "blokey" image. If no one you know thinks punching someone in the face at work for no good reason is a big deal,so be it.Just glad I don't work with you or them

Edited by legaleagle (16 Mar 2015 12.16am)

Firstly, define 'no good reason'. What's reasonable to you may not be to me and vice versa. This grates with your moral stance but not mine. There's no winner here, only opinion.
Secondly, I'm equally glad our paths will never cross in the workplace as I guess I'd be forever walking on eggshells.

PS
Why jump on the 'every celeb is a role model to kids' bandwagon? They are not and never will be to 99.9% who happen to see a famous personality.
D-.




 

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Stuk Flag Top half 16 Mar 15 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote pefwin at 16 Mar 2015 6.14pm

Quote Stuk at 16 Mar 2015 4.11pm

No one has (an idea of how seriously he took it), unless they know him. He and May have notably made light of it, Hammond has gone silent.

He presumably has more to lose, by that I mean pay for. Wife, kids, younger than the other two, less in the bank, no other current jobs/shows etc.

Edited by Stuk (16 Mar 2015 4.12pm)

Hammond has consistently tries to break away from cars and bikes into mainstream presenting but has run up against the issue he is a w@nker. Evidence, by the lack of solidarity.


I'd say tried to supplement rather than break away.

He's just not very good at anything else and he's tried most.

 


Optimistic as ever

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johnfirewall Flag 16 Mar 15 9.44pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Overheard someone discussing the story suggesting that anyone else would have been sacked outright for hitting a colleague.

Sounds like the sort of trite nonsense you'd hear on here.

Don't know if anyone noticed but the BBC have banned all male panel shows so rightly or wrongly it's very convenient for an organisation who've needed to clean up their image.

I'm not saying it's a sad loss not having anyone intentionally offensive on TV (or the BBC) as I think Frankie Boyle is a cnut but now they're doing away with BBC3 they're even losing those sitcoms with mild sexual reference.

 

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legaleagle Flag 16 Mar 15 9.45pm

Quote TUX at 16 Mar 2015 8.24pm


Firstly, define 'no good reason'. What's reasonable to you may not be to me and vice versa. This grates with your moral stance but not mine. There's no winner here, only opinion.
Secondly, I'm equally glad our paths will never cross in the workplace as I guess I'd be forever walking on eggshells.

PS
Why jump on the 'every celeb is a role model to kids' bandwagon? They are not and never will be to 99.9% who happen to see a famous personality.
D-.

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Call me petty minded,but if you choose to turn up hours late at a hotel while on a work trip and then punch the team member responsible for organising hot meals for 3 hours earlier in the face because there is no hot food left/still available ,you are at the very least a complete w..nker in any work situation and worthy of disciplinary action,whether sacking or lesser.So,in such a case,if you think its good reason,we'll agree to disagree.

I think its in many ways very sad and indicative of our naff sleb culture,but I don't think it unreasonable to suggest a popular TV presenter of a family TV programme might be someone quite a few kids (and adults) look up to.But,like your differing view,its just an opinion,one amongst others



Edited by legaleagle (17 Mar 2015 10.34am)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Mar 15 4.45pm

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Hmm. Take this man's comments with a p o s.

 

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johnfirewall Flag 17 Mar 15 9.09pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

I don't think he really cares.

Probably shelved the last episodes when the realised he was intentionally pushing his luck.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Mar 15 9.25pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

I don't see how Pikey can be claimed to be racist. How are Travellers a race? They come from all over the place, it's kind of in their nature.

And it originates from turnpike, so it's only like saying road warriors.

What did I miss?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Mar 15 9.27pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 16 Mar 2015 9.45pm

Quote TUX at 16 Mar 2015 8.24pm


Firstly, define 'no good reason'. What's reasonable to you may not be to me and vice versa. This grates with your moral stance but not mine. There's no winner here, only opinion.
Secondly, I'm equally glad our paths will never cross in the workplace as I guess I'd be forever walking on eggshells.

PS
Why jump on the 'every celeb is a role model to kids' bandwagon? They are not and never will be to 99.9% who happen to see a famous personality.
D-.

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Call me petty minded,but if you choose to turn up hours late at a hotel while on a work trip and then punch the team member responsible for organising hot meals for 3 hours earlier in the face because there is no hot food left/still available ,you are at the very least a complete w..nker in any work situation and worthy of disciplinary action,whether sacking or lesser.So,in such a case,if you think its good reason,we'll agree to disagree.

I think its in many ways very sad and indicative of our naff sleb culture,but I don't think it unreasonable to suggest a popular TV presenter of a family TV programme might be someone quite a few kids (and adults) look up to.But,like your differing view,its just an opinion,one amongst others



Edited by legaleagle (17 Mar 2015 10.34am)


True that.

 

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TUX Flag redhill 17 Mar 15 10.36pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 16 Mar 2015 9.45pm

Quote TUX at 16 Mar 2015 8.24pm


Firstly, define 'no good reason'. What's reasonable to you may not be to me and vice versa. This grates with your moral stance but not mine. There's no winner here, only opinion.
Secondly, I'm equally glad our paths will never cross in the workplace as I guess I'd be forever walking on eggshells.

PS
Why jump on the 'every celeb is a role model to kids' bandwagon? They are not and never will be to 99.9% who happen to see a famous personality.
D-.

........................................................................................................


Call me petty minded,but if you choose to turn up hours late at a hotel while on a work trip and then punch the team member responsible for organising hot meals for 3 hours earlier in the face because there is no hot food left/still available ,you are at the very least a complete w..nker in any work situation and worthy of disciplinary action,whether sacking or lesser.So,in such a case,if you think its good reason,we'll agree to disagree.

I think its in many ways very sad and indicative of our naff sleb culture,but I don't think it unreasonable to suggest a popular TV presenter of a family TV programme might be someone quite a few kids (and adults) look up to.But,like your differing view,its just an opinion,one amongst others

Edited by legaleagle (17 Mar 2015 10.34am)

1. .........after apparently 30mins or so of a heated exchange.
2. I don't condone them, but I'm well aware that incidents such as this can happen anywhere let alone in the workplace. I'm just glad it wasn't aired tbh.

Sorry to labour the point but I missed your post regarding another role model deliberately striking someone WHILE AT WORK and it WAS AIRED TO MILLIONS.........damn that Jedinak!



 

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legaleagle Flag 17 Mar 15 11.18pm

I'll remember that in future TUX; my opinion may be less valid in your eyes if I didn't (I think) post at all on a thread in palace talk with a theme with some overlap one or two weeks earlier.I don't even need to have expressed a contrary opinion for you to have a pop.Love and peace;chill out.

Where's the contradiction? Mile fairly promptly had disciplinary action taken against him,by both his employer and his area of work's governing body.He could be said to be a role model with a public profile.Don't remember too many posting there saying that if it was deliberate,it didn't merit disciplinary action,though to be fair you thought he should be punished but hoped he wouldn't be.I thought he should be punished too.

Some thought (I think) he shouldn't be because other similar incidents hadn't been. It is important a given employer or work area body don't treat different people differently.In the BBC's case they introduced a new "bullying behaviour" code following the Saville revelations and will likely have dissatisfaction amongst staff if Clarkson is now treated differently to how a regular BBC person already on a "final warning" would be.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Mar 2015 12.13am)

 

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Quote Mapletree at 17 Mar 2015 9.25pm

I don't see how Pikey can be claimed to be racist. How are Travellers a race? They come from all over the place, it's kind of in their nature.


The law does protect them as an ethnic race under the Equalities Act whether that's right or wrong

 

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legaleagle Flag 18 Mar 15 9.46am

There are two distinct groups of people: "Gypsys/Roma" and "Travellers", who tend to get mixed up,though in recent years here there has been quite a lot of inter marriage.

"Travellers" here come largely from from Ireland.

"Gypsy" became widely used in Europe,often in a derogatory way, to describe Roma people.Roma,which in the Romani language means "people", originate from northern India. The root of the Romani language is ancient Punjabi, or Hindi. The words Roma and Romani have nothing to do with the country Romania in which the Roma are called Tsigani (Gypsy).

They are very much a distinct ethnic/racial group.They have faced great prejudice in Europe (particularly,Central,Southern and Eastern Europe),for centuries,and were singled out by the Nazis as one of the ethnic/racial groups to be slaughtered in the Holocaust for being "sub beings".They still face widespread discrimination and prejudice in many countries today.

One theory of the origin of "pikey" it that it comes from "turnpike", the place where itinerant travellers and thieves would camp near a settlement.So,a derogatory origin but not a racial/ethnic one.But one which grew to describe Roma and Travellers particularly,and with a very negative connotation.

A legacy of that here is the way the description "pikey" has become a general negative term in describing "naff" people in a negative way as well as a term to describe Roma/Travellers,and likely to be offensive to Roma and Travellers.


Edited by legaleagle (18 Mar 2015 9.54am)

 

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