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Ketteridge Brighton 07 Feb 14 12.28pm
Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness. We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it. Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted. What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ???? Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm) No sure whether you are looking for evidence of players being discriminate against that would hold up in an employment tribunal or evidence of large problem of homophobia. On the first point, there is no tangible evidence of homophobic discrimination that would hold up in an employment tribunal because there are no openly gay players to make those statements. So no evidence of a gay player/coach not being given a job or paid less because of their sexuality. But as Mapletree says the most obvious argument for a general problem of homophobia is the absences of openly gay players. It is an inductive argument so it does not necessarily show proof. It could be there are no gay footballers because for some strange reason Gay people don't play football. However the eight players who have discussed their sexuality with PFA but not openly came out would suggest other wise [Link] Don't believe they should have to come out I believe it is their personal business if they do or not. That decision though should not be based on whether they will receive abuse if they do come out. Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am) Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ? Is this campaign designed at making it easier for gay players to come out (which is kinda what I assume)..if it is then can it be really that naive to assume that they would want to do so - I would suspect for a myriad of reasons they really wouldnt want to Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm) That is my assumption also, along with making it easier for gay supporters. As I say Idon't think every/any gay footballer should be made to come out it is a personal choice and as you say a myriad reason why someone might not want to. But one of those factor in making that decision should not be the abuse a player will get for coming out or the effect it might have on their career. The tangible goal would be that a player can come out without having to take other people negative reactions into account which is a broad and difficult goal. One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A
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Brighton 07 Feb 14 12.28pm

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Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm

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Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness.

We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it.

Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted.

What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ????

Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm)

No sure whether you are looking for evidence of players being discriminate against that would hold up in an employment tribunal or evidence of large problem of homophobia. On the first point, there is no tangible evidence of homophobic discrimination that would hold up in an employment tribunal because there are no openly gay players to make those statements. So no evidence of a gay player/coach not being given a job or paid less because of their sexuality.
But as Mapletree says the most obvious argument for a general problem of homophobia is the absences of openly gay players. It is an inductive argument so it does not necessarily show proof. It could be there are no gay footballers because for some strange reason Gay people don't play football.
However the eight players who have discussed their sexuality with PFA but not openly came out would suggest other wise
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Don't believe they should have to come out I believe it is their personal business if they do or not. That decision though should not be based on whether they will receive abuse if they do come out.

Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am)

Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ?

Is this campaign designed at making it easier for gay players to come out (which is kinda what I assume)..if it is then can it be really that naive to assume that they would want to do so - I would suspect for a myriad of reasons they really wouldnt want to

Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm)

That is my assumption also, along with making it easier for gay supporters. As I say Idon't think every/any gay footballer should be made to come out it is a personal choice and as you say a myriad reason why someone might not want to.
But one of those factor in making that decision should not be the abuse a player will get for coming out or the effect it might have on their career.
The tangible goal would be that a player can come out without having to take other people negative reactions into account which is a broad and difficult goal.

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 07 Feb 14 12.34pm
Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness. We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it. Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted. What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ???? Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm) No sure whether you are looking for evidence of players being discriminate against that would hold up in an employment tribunal or evidence of large problem of homophobia. On the first point, there is no tangible evidence of homophobic discrimination that would hold up in an employment tribunal because there are no openly gay players to make those statements. So no evidence of a gay player/coach not being given a job or paid less because of their sexuality. But as Mapletree says the most obvious argument for a general problem of homophobia is the absences of openly gay players. It is an inductive argument so it does not necessarily show proof. It could be there are no gay footballers because for some strange reason Gay people don't play football. However the eight players who have discussed their sexuality with PFA but not openly came out would suggest other wise [Link] Don't believe they should have to come out I believe it is their personal business if they do or not. That decision though should not be based on whether they will receive abuse if they do come out. Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am) Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ? Is this campaign designed at making it easier for gay players to come out (which is kinda what I assume)..if it is then can it be really that naive to assume that they would want to do so - I would suspect for a myriad of reasons they really wouldnt want to Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm) That is my assumption also, along with making it easier for gay supporters. As I say Idon't think every/any gay footballer should be made to come out it is a personal choice and as you say a myriad reason why someone might not want to. But one of those factor in making that decision should not be the abuse a player will get for coming out or the effect it might have on their career. The tangible goal would be that a player can come out without having to take other people negative reactions into account which is a broad and difficult goal. Again though - easier for gay supportes how ????? What basic right are they being denied, how are they being prejudiced against, discriminated against - how ?? What do gay supporters want so much (nothing I suspect) that they are not getting now because of their sexuality ? How are they treated differently because of their sexuality ?? Anything that is overtly discrimatory, prejudical and just plain old nasty is covered in legislation already so what do these campaigners want a football stadium and its crowd to become ????? Not being obtuse for the sake of it - I just see this as pointless posturing, its not even ill thought out - it hasnt been thought out at all imho Simpering, empty political posturing from yet another group who percieve an oppressd minority that needs saving..even if that minority is often left scratching its head as to what from and why they need saving ? Everything from back pain sufferers to goat abusers seemingly has someone who can find a way that they are somehow denied 'rights' that arent bestowed on 99% of the poulation either - this is just another example. This campaign - Its just s stream of cliches sewn together with no real aim, no real goal and no concrete, physical actions to it..If its meant to raise awareness it surely has but most will consider it more bollocks and it would have been better if they had stayed schtum Things like this piss me off no end because there are such inequalities in society that are based on racial background, gender, religion, sexuality, class and silly little whining piss ants like this devalue the campaigns and pushes against greater ills of sosiety and as you can see from some of the responses on here dont 'educate' or create a debate - they just turn people off with their whiny stupidity Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.48pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 07 Feb 14 12.34pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm

Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am

Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm

Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness.

We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it.

Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted.

What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ????

Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am)

Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ?

Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm)

Again though - easier for gay supportes how ?????

What basic right are they being denied, how are they being prejudiced against, discriminated against - how ??

What do gay supporters want so much (nothing I suspect) that they are not getting now because of their sexuality ? How are they treated differently because of their sexuality ??

Anything that is overtly discrimatory, prejudical and just plain old nasty is covered in legislation already so what do these campaigners want a football stadium and its crowd to become ?????

Not being obtuse for the sake of it - I just see this as pointless posturing, its not even ill thought out - it hasnt been thought out at all imho

Everything from back pain sufferers to goat abusers seemingly has someone who can find a way that they are somehow denied 'rights' that arent bestowed on 99% of the poulation either - this is just another example.

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Ketteridge Brighton 07 Feb 14 12.37pm
Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness. We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it. Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted. What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ???? Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm) No sure whether you are looking for evidence of players being discriminate against that would hold up in an employment tribunal or evidence of large problem of homophobia. On the first point, there is no tangible evidence of homophobic discrimination that would hold up in an employment tribunal because there are no openly gay players to make those statements. So no evidence of a gay player/coach not being given a job or paid less because of their sexuality. But as Mapletree says the most obvious argument for a general problem of homophobia is the absences of openly gay players. It is an inductive argument so it does not necessarily show proof. It could be there are no gay footballers because for some strange reason Gay people don't play football. However the eight players who have discussed their sexuality with PFA but not openly came out would suggest other wise [Link] Don't believe they should have to come out I believe it is their personal business if they do or not. That decision though should not be based on whether they will receive abuse if they do come out. Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am) Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ? Is this campaign designed at making it easier for gay players to come out (which is kinda what I assume)..if it is then can it be really that naive to assume that they would want to do so - I would suspect for a myriad of reasons they really wouldnt want to Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm) That is my assumption also, along with making it easier for gay supporters. As I say Idon't think every/any gay footballer should be made to come out it is a personal choice and as you say a myriad reason why someone might not want to. But one of those factor in making that decision should not be the abuse a player will get for coming out or the effect it might have on their career. The tangible goal would be that a player can come out without having to take other people negative reactions into account which is a broad and difficult goal. Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible. Doesn't mean it should not be tackled though and we would have also made similar comments about racism in football 30 years ago. One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A
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Brighton 07 Feb 14 12.37pm

Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm

Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am

Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm

Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness.

We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it.

Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted.

What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ????

Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am)

Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ?

Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm)

Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible.

Doesn't mean it should not be tackled though and we would have also made similar comments about racism in football 30 years ago.

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c_block_shedevil London 07 Feb 14 12.45pm
Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness. We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it. Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted. What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ???? Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm) No sure whether you are looking for evidence of players being discriminate against that would hold up in an employment tribunal or evidence of large problem of homophobia. On the first point, there is no tangible evidence of homophobic discrimination that would hold up in an employment tribunal because there are no openly gay players to make those statements. So no evidence of a gay player/coach not being given a job or paid less because of their sexuality. But as Mapletree says the most obvious argument for a general problem of homophobia is the absences of openly gay players. It is an inductive argument so it does not necessarily show proof. It could be there are no gay footballers because for some strange reason Gay people don't play football. However the eight players who have discussed their sexuality with PFA but not openly came out would suggest other wise [Link] Don't believe they should have to come out I believe it is their personal business if they do or not. That decision though should not be based on whether they will receive abuse if they do come out. Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am) Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ? Is this campaign designed at making it easier for gay players to come out (which is kinda what I assume)..if it is then can it be really that naive to assume that they would want to do so - I would suspect for a myriad of reasons they really wouldnt want to Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm) That is my assumption also, along with making it easier for gay supporters. As I say Idon't think every/any gay footballer should be made to come out it is a personal choice and as you say a myriad reason why someone might not want to. But one of those factor in making that decision should not be the abuse a player will get for coming out or the effect it might have on their career. The tangible goal would be that a player can come out without having to take other people negative reactions into account which is a broad and difficult goal. Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible. I guess that they want people to know just as it is not ok to shout out the "N" word at a football match to a black player, it is not ok to shout the F word to a player. Maybe? I'm tough. I'm ambitious. I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, I'm OK with that.
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Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm

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Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm

Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness.

We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it.

Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted.

What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ????

Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am)

Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ?

Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm)

Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible.

I guess that they want people to know just as it is not ok to shout out the "N" word at a football match to a black player, it is not ok to shout the F word to a player. Maybe?

I'm tough. I'm ambitious. I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, I'm OK with that.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 07 Feb 14 12.50pm
Quote c_block_shedevil at 07 Feb 2014 12.45pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness. We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it. Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted. What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ???? Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm) No sure whether you are looking for evidence of players being discriminate against that would hold up in an employment tribunal or evidence of large problem of homophobia. On the first point, there is no tangible evidence of homophobic discrimination that would hold up in an employment tribunal because there are no openly gay players to make those statements. So no evidence of a gay player/coach not being given a job or paid less because of their sexuality. But as Mapletree says the most obvious argument for a general problem of homophobia is the absences of openly gay players. It is an inductive argument so it does not necessarily show proof. It could be there are no gay footballers because for some strange reason Gay people don't play football. However the eight players who have discussed their sexuality with PFA but not openly came out would suggest other wise [Link] Don't believe they should have to come out I believe it is their personal business if they do or not. That decision though should not be based on whether they will receive abuse if they do come out. Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am) Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ? Is this campaign designed at making it easier for gay players to come out (which is kinda what I assume)..if it is then can it be really that naive to assume that they would want to do so - I would suspect for a myriad of reasons they really wouldnt want to Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm) That is my assumption also, along with making it easier for gay supporters. As I say Idon't think every/any gay footballer should be made to come out it is a personal choice and as you say a myriad reason why someone might not want to. But one of those factor in making that decision should not be the abuse a player will get for coming out or the effect it might have on their career. The tangible goal would be that a player can come out without having to take other people negative reactions into account which is a broad and difficult goal. Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible. I guess that they want people to know just as it is not ok to shout out the "N" word at a football match to a black player, it is not ok to shout the F word to a player. Maybe? Which it isnt and is covered in law As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 07 Feb 14 12.50pm

Quote c_block_shedevil at 07 Feb 2014 12.45pm

Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm

Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am

Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm

Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness.

We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it.

Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted.

What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ????

Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am)

Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ?

Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm)

Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible.

I guess that they want people to know just as it is not ok to shout out the "N" word at a football match to a black player, it is not ok to shout the F word to a player. Maybe?

Which it isnt and is covered in law

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 07 Feb 14 12.52pm
Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.37pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness. We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it. Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted. What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ???? Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm) No sure whether you are looking for evidence of players being discriminate against that would hold up in an employment tribunal or evidence of large problem of homophobia. On the first point, there is no tangible evidence of homophobic discrimination that would hold up in an employment tribunal because there are no openly gay players to make those statements. So no evidence of a gay player/coach not being given a job or paid less because of their sexuality. But as Mapletree says the most obvious argument for a general problem of homophobia is the absences of openly gay players. It is an inductive argument so it does not necessarily show proof. It could be there are no gay footballers because for some strange reason Gay people don't play football. However the eight players who have discussed their sexuality with PFA but not openly came out would suggest other wise [Link] Don't believe they should have to come out I believe it is their personal business if they do or not. That decision though should not be based on whether they will receive abuse if they do come out. Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am) Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ? Is this campaign designed at making it easier for gay players to come out (which is kinda what I assume)..if it is then can it be really that naive to assume that they would want to do so - I would suspect for a myriad of reasons they really wouldnt want to Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm) That is my assumption also, along with making it easier for gay supporters. As I say Idon't think every/any gay footballer should be made to come out it is a personal choice and as you say a myriad reason why someone might not want to. But one of those factor in making that decision should not be the abuse a player will get for coming out or the effect it might have on their career. The tangible goal would be that a player can come out without having to take other people negative reactions into account which is a broad and difficult goal. Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible. Doesn't mean it should not be tackled though and we would have also made similar comments about racism in football 30 years ago. But it is and is covered in law already and clubs have banned people from attending...for example... [Link] ...and a comparison with the race angle really is apples and oranges Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.54pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.37pm

Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.34pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 12.28pm

Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.02pm

Quote Ketteridge at 07 Feb 2014 11.56am

Quote The Sash at 06 Feb 2014 7.59pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 06 Feb 2014 7.52pm

Self-righteous frothing and spluttering is always a joy to witness.

We are into page 4 and still no tangibility to how gay people are discriminated against at football and by whom and even if they are what the f*** anyone's supposed to do about it.

Its just another ill thought out knee jerk 'right on' campaign to a prejudice that isn't seemingly there or if it is it certainly unwarranted.

What are these 11 clubs actually going to be doing ????

Edited by The Sash (06 Feb 2014 8.00pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (07 Feb 2014 11.57am)

Again - None of which is actually tangible though is it ?

Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.03pm)

Its not so much broad and difficult as nigh on impossible.

Doesn't mean it should not be tackled though and we would have also made similar comments about racism in football 30 years ago.

But it is and is covered in law already and clubs have banned people from attending...for example...

[Link]

...and a comparison with the race angle really is apples and oranges

Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 12.54pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 07 Feb 14 12.54pm
Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.23pm Quote Mapletree at 07 Feb 2014 12.14pm This is what their site says: Aim: to enable people to take action against prejudice and discrimination aimed at lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans (LGB&T) people in order to create welcoming and inclusive football environments. It seems it is just as aimed at grassroots as professional football I have no idea if it will work, I have no idea who is involved in thinking through what it does or why. I just know that people aren't really approaching the question with an open mind. And I love the idea that Palace as a club and bunch of supporters could go where others fear to tread. I for one could't care less what MillScum fans think about threads like this. Mind you, I also think that most LGBT people can stand up for themselves. But remember that most people in football are still pretty young and maybe not quite as confident as e.g. Tinhat. Which takes us back in that circular argument what prejudice and discrimation ?? How for LGB&T is football not a welcoming and inclusive environment ? This isn't a campaign its a goalless and vague and wooly mission statement Like I said earlier any equality campaign is laudable - this one though simply hasnt got a point or seemingly knows what its actually campaigning about. Right. I am pleased someone sees sense. I suggest you write to Fare (a worldwide network set up in 1999) to let them know that they are wasting their time. They should know that for the fourth year running they simply haven't thought it through. Apparently the reason they are bothering is that Football is the biggest sport in the world and a good vehicle for overcoming social exclusion. Probably better to focus on tiddlywinks first, bless them. And for all those people that think it's funny to have a dig at Brighton about gay stuff, this appears to come out of a debate at the Withdean in 2009 under the banner of the Justin (Fashanu) Campaign. So of course it's Brighton's problem and nothing to do with us.
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This is what their site says:

Aim: to enable people to take action against prejudice and discrimination aimed at lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans (LGB&T) people in order to create welcoming and inclusive football environments.

It seems it is just as aimed at grassroots as professional football

I have no idea if it will work, I have no idea who is involved in thinking through what it does or why.

I just know that people aren't really approaching the question with an open mind. And I love the idea that Palace as a club and bunch of supporters could go where others fear to tread. I for one could't care less what MillScum fans think about threads like this.

Mind you, I also think that most LGBT people can stand up for themselves. But remember that most people in football are still pretty young and maybe not quite as confident as e.g. Tinhat.

Which takes us back in that circular argument what prejudice and discrimation ??

How for LGB&T is football not a welcoming and inclusive environment ?

This isn't a campaign its a goalless and vague and wooly mission statement

Like I said earlier any equality campaign is laudable - this one though simply hasnt got a point or seemingly knows what its actually campaigning about.

Right. I am pleased someone sees sense. I suggest you write to Fare (a worldwide network set up in 1999) to let them know that they are wasting their time. They should know that for the fourth year running they simply haven't thought it through.

Apparently the reason they are bothering is that Football is the biggest sport in the world and a good vehicle for overcoming social exclusion. Probably better to focus on tiddlywinks first, bless them.

And for all those people that think it's funny to have a dig at Brighton about gay stuff, this appears to come out of a debate at the Withdean in 2009 under the banner of the Justin (Fashanu) Campaign. So of course it's Brighton's problem and nothing to do with us.

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Quote Mapletree at 07 Feb 2014 12.54pm Quote The Sash at 07 Feb 2014 12.23pm Quote Mapletree at 07 Feb 2014 12.14pm This is what their site says: Aim: to enable people to take action against prejudice and discrimination aimed at lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans (LGB&T) people in order to create welcoming and inclusive football environments. It seems it is just as aimed at grassroots as professional football I have no idea if it will work, I have no idea who is involved in thinking through what it does or why. I just know that people aren't really approaching the question with an open mind. And I love the idea that Palace as a club and bunch of supporters could go where others fear to tread. I for one could't care less what MillScum fans think about threads like this. Mind you, I also think that most LGBT people can stand up for themselves. But remember that most people in football are still pretty young and maybe not quite as confident as e.g. Tinhat. Which takes us back in that circular argument what prejudice and discrimation ?? How for LGB&T is football not a welcoming and inclusive environment ? This isn't a campaign its a goalless and vague and wooly mission statement Like I said earlier any equality campaign is laudable - this one though simply hasnt got a point or seemingly knows what its actually campaigning about. Right. I am pleased someone sees sense. I suggest you write to Fare (a worldwide network set up in 1999) to let them know that they are wasting their time. They should know that for the fourth year running they simply haven't thought it through. Apparently the reason they are bothering is that Football is the biggest sport in the world and a good vehicle for overcoming social exclusion. Probably better to focus on tiddlywinks first, bless them. And for all those people that think it's funny to have a dig at Brighton about gay stuff, this appears to come out of a debate at the Withdean in 2009 under the banner of the Justin (Fashanu) Campaign. So of course it's Brighton's problem and nothing to do with us. Dont be silly and get all hissy This campaign is targeted specifcally at discrimination in football is it not ??... and doesnt mention anything about social inclusion and football being a mechanism for change ..and given the reaction to the posts on here (even yours)that cant really see what its trying to achieve and how or why I would suggest perhaps writing to them for a rethink might be a good idea Edited by The Sash (07 Feb 2014 1.05pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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