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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jul 14 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

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So this latest episode was started by the peace loving and gentle Palestinians kidnapping and murdering three Israeli teens which the perpetrators knew would draw a response from the IDF and the more militant parts of Israeli society.

Quite how some people can defend these people is beyond me.

Who is defending them?

These people:

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Didn't see anything about defending the kidnapping and murdering of Israeli teenagers there.
Can you show us where that bit is.


I was talking about defending the Palestinian cause. In general. The Palestinians have proved time and time again hat they are unable to act in a civilised manner, for example the unprovoked murdering of three teenagers making their way home. The murders have not been condemned by the Palestinian leadership or for that matter by he Palestine Campaign.

Keep trying to twist my words Gusset.

One more thing, as you didn't know the difference between deficit and debt reduction, would you like some pointers on the history of the Israel/Palestine situation?

"unprovoked" stealing people’s homes and massacring them and then continuing to build new settlements on stolen land would provoke a far less patience response from the US and Britain if it happened to them than we expect of the Palestinians.

"unable to act in a civilised manner" running over people with bulldozers and burning a teenager alive hardly places Israel in a good light in terms of being all that civilized

For all the talk of Palestinians denying the state of Israel - which is not true in any case - Israel doesn't accept a Palestinian state.


What did the three Israeli teens do to he Palestinians that warranted their kidnap and murder?

The Palestinians provoked this latest situation. Make no mistake.


What? All of them?

I would have thought those poor teenagers were murdered by a handful, don't you?

You should be more mindful of what you write. It comes across as inflammatory and I know a reasonable chap like yourself would not like that to be the case, would you?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 14 10.18pm

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Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.22pm

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Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 8.03pm

So this latest episode was started by the peace loving and gentle Palestinians kidnapping and murdering three Israeli teens which the perpetrators knew would draw a response from the IDF and the more militant parts of Israeli society.

Quite how some people can defend these people is beyond me.

Who is defending them?

These people:

[Link]


Didn't see anything about defending the kidnapping and murdering of Israeli teenagers there.
Can you show us where that bit is.


I was talking about defending the Palestinian cause. In general. The Palestinians have proved time and time again hat they are unable to act in a civilised manner, for example the unprovoked murdering of three teenagers making their way home. The murders have not been condemned by the Palestinian leadership or for that matter by he Palestine Campaign.

Keep trying to twist my words Gusset.

One more thing, as you didn't know the difference between deficit and debt reduction, would you like some pointers on the history of the Israel/Palestine situation?


f*** off matt and debate the subject.


You are reverting to swearing at me. Well done.

You tried to slap a cheap shot at me, I simply gave you back what you aimed at me. Don't throw stones when you are in a glasshouse Gusset.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Jul 2014 10.12pm)

f*** off matt and debate the subject.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 14 10.26pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

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Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.26pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 8.03pm

So this latest episode was started by the peace loving and gentle Palestinians kidnapping and murdering three Israeli teens which the perpetrators knew would draw a response from the IDF and the more militant parts of Israeli society.

Quite how some people can defend these people is beyond me.

Who is defending them?

These people:

[Link]


Didn't see anything about defending the kidnapping and murdering of Israeli teenagers there.
Can you show us where that bit is.


I was talking about defending the Palestinian cause. In general. The Palestinians have proved time and time again hat they are unable to act in a civilised manner, for example the unprovoked murdering of three teenagers making their way home. The murders have not been condemned by the Palestinian leadership or for that matter by he Palestine Campaign.

Keep trying to twist my words Gusset.

One more thing, as you didn't know the difference between deficit and debt reduction, would you like some pointers on the history of the Israel/Palestine situation?

"unprovoked" stealing people’s homes and massacring them and then continuing to build new settlements on stolen land would provoke a far less patience response from the US and Britain if it happened to them than we expect of the Palestinians.

"unable to act in a civilised manner" running over people with bulldozers and burning a teenager alive hardly places Israel in a good light in terms of being all that civilized

For all the talk of Palestinians denying the state of Israel - which is not true in any case - Israel doesn't accept a Palestinian state.


What did the three Israeli teens do to he Palestinians that warranted their kidnap and murder?

The Palestinians provoked this latest situation. Make no mistake.


What? All of them?

I would have thought those poor teenagers were murdered by a handful, don't you?

You should be more mindful of what you write. It comes across as inflammatory and I know a reasonable chap like yourself would not like that to be the case, would you?


Who killed the teenagers? It was Palestinians. What constitutes Palestinians is a small community, is a tight community and is one where Hamas and Fatah have direct control over much of its population. Whomever killed these teens were either directly in one of the many 'resistance' groups' representing Palestinians or were not too far removed from them. The perpetrators would have to be congenital idiots not to know or foretell the consequences of their actions.

As for the second part, thank you for your condescending comments. However, isn't the point of a message to allow an exchange of thoughts? Or as they don't fit with your very narrow World view, they shouldn't be voiced at all? Is that what you are saying?

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Jul 14 10.27pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 10.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.02pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.50pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.26pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 8.03pm

So this latest episode was started by the peace loving and gentle Palestinians kidnapping and murdering three Israeli teens which the perpetrators knew would draw a response from the IDF and the more militant parts of Israeli society.

Quite how some people can defend these people is beyond me.

Who is defending them?

These people:

[Link]


Didn't see anything about defending the kidnapping and murdering of Israeli teenagers there.
Can you show us where that bit is.


I was talking about defending the Palestinian cause. In general. The Palestinians have proved time and time again hat they are unable to act in a civilised manner, for example the unprovoked murdering of three teenagers making their way home. The murders have not been condemned by the Palestinian leadership or for that matter by he Palestine Campaign.

Keep trying to twist my words Gusset.

One more thing, as you didn't know the difference between deficit and debt reduction, would you like some pointers on the history of the Israel/Palestine situation?


f*** off matt and debate the subject.


You are reverting to swearing at me. Well done.

You tried to slap a cheap shot at me, I simply gave you back what you aimed at me. Don't throw stones when you are in a glasshouse Gusset.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Jul 2014 10.12pm)

f*** off matt and debate the subject.


I am debating the subject. Read posts other than yours. You haven't added anything to this debate.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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I'm totally against the building of settlements in the west bank....It's a land grab for future negotiation and it's wrong in every way.

On the other hand I detest Hamas totally and I've lost a certain amount of sympathy once Fatah decided to combine......I think that's a very big mistake.

Hamas are toxic to anyone with any sense in the west and Fatah now have no influence nor foothold outside of their own people.

Now when I look at that region I see a far right Israeli government....Which is basically kept in power by the reality of Hamas....But regardless Israel is a democracy and it's a ruby in a sea of surrounding corrupt stones.

When I look at the Palestinian leadership I see an organization which continually makes the wrong long term decisions for its people and then blames the Israelis. They had the two state solution available and Arafat walked away.

While it wishes to fight Israel it will continue to bury its own children generation after generation.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 14 10.30pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.27pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 10.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.02pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.50pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.26pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 8.03pm

So this latest episode was started by the peace loving and gentle Palestinians kidnapping and murdering three Israeli teens which the perpetrators knew would draw a response from the IDF and the more militant parts of Israeli society.

Quite how some people can defend these people is beyond me.

Who is defending them?

These people:

[Link]


Didn't see anything about defending the kidnapping and murdering of Israeli teenagers there.
Can you show us where that bit is.


I was talking about defending the Palestinian cause. In general. The Palestinians have proved time and time again hat they are unable to act in a civilised manner, for example the unprovoked murdering of three teenagers making their way home. The murders have not been condemned by the Palestinian leadership or for that matter by he Palestine Campaign.

Keep trying to twist my words Gusset.

One more thing, as you didn't know the difference between deficit and debt reduction, would you like some pointers on the history of the Israel/Palestine situation?


f*** off matt and debate the subject.


You are reverting to swearing at me. Well done.

You tried to slap a cheap shot at me, I simply gave you back what you aimed at me. Don't throw stones when you are in a glasshouse Gusset.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Jul 2014 10.12pm)

f*** off matt and debate the subject.


I am debating the subject. Read posts other than yours. You haven't added anything to this debate.


Meh

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 06 Jul 14 11.33pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.

What did the three Israeli teens do to he Palestinians that warranted their kidnap and murder?

The Palestinians provoked this latest situation. Make no mistake.

I think this highlights just how far from resolvable the Palestine-Israeli situation is, in that you have three Israeli teenagers murdered just for being Israeli and a Palestinian teenager murdered for just being a Palestinian.

That's before you get into indiscriminate attacks on Israeli towns and the arbitrary 'targeted' air strikes and demolitions by the IDF. Its effectively become a war of cultures.

Both sides were quick to blame the other, without offering any real proof, and quick to capitalise on events for political justification.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 06 Jul 14 11.37pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Jul 2014 10.30pm

I'm totally against the building of settlements in the west bank....It's a land grab for future negotiation and it's wrong in every way.

On the other hand I detest Hamas totally and I've lost a certain amount of sympathy once Fatah decided to combine......I think that's a very big mistake.

Hamas are toxic to anyone with any sense in the west and Fatah now have no influence nor foothold outside of their own people.

Now when I look at that region I see a far right Israeli government....Which is basically kept in power by the reality of Hamas....But regardless Israel is a democracy and it's a ruby in a sea of surrounding corrupt stones.

When I look at the Palestinian leadership I see an organization which continually makes the wrong long term decisions for its people and then blames the Israelis. They had the two state solution available and Arafat walked away.

While it wishes to fight Israel it will continue to bury its own children generation after generation.

Realistically any solution will need to see the situation, economically, in the Palestine Authority improved to undermine the support and appeal provided by Hamas. Fatah itself is probably a spent force, that was largely held together by Arafat, and a generation of PLO leaders who were not 'Islamist' inspired.

As it stands, neither side are actually interested in peace, as the 'continual' cycle of conflict suit their agendas, and neither side can actually win.


 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 07 Jul 14 8.24am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager:

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Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens?

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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npn Flag Crowborough 07 Jul 14 8.55am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Surely it will all be fine - isn't Tony Blair still doing his peace envoy thing?

 

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Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 8.24am

The Israelis have arrested a number of suspects in relation to the horrific death of the Palestinian teenager:

[Link]

Now, will the Palestinians to do the right thing and identify the murderers of the Israeli teens?

I was under the impression that Hamas had denied responsibility?


 

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Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.26pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Jul 2014 10.14pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 10.04pm

Quote Bert the Head at 06 Jul 2014 9.56pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.26pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 9.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 9.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 06 Jul 2014 8.03pm

So this latest episode was started by the peace loving and gentle Palestinians kidnapping and murdering three Israeli teens which the perpetrators knew would draw a response from the IDF and the more militant parts of Israeli society.

Quite how some people can defend these people is beyond me.

Who is defending them?

These people:

[Link]


Didn't see anything about defending the kidnapping and murdering of Israeli teenagers there.
Can you show us where that bit is.


I was talking about defending the Palestinian cause. In general. The Palestinians have proved time and time again hat they are unable to act in a civilised manner, for example the unprovoked murdering of three teenagers making their way home. The murders have not been condemned by the Palestinian leadership or for that matter by he Palestine Campaign.

Keep trying to twist my words Gusset.

One more thing, as you didn't know the difference between deficit and debt reduction, would you like some pointers on the history of the Israel/Palestine situation?

"unprovoked" stealing people’s homes and massacring them and then continuing to build new settlements on stolen land would provoke a far less patience response from the US and Britain if it happened to them than we expect of the Palestinians.

"unable to act in a civilised manner" running over people with bulldozers and burning a teenager alive hardly places Israel in a good light in terms of being all that civilized

For all the talk of Palestinians denying the state of Israel - which is not true in any case - Israel doesn't accept a Palestinian state.


What did the three Israeli teens do to he Palestinians that warranted their kidnap and murder?

The Palestinians provoked this latest situation. Make no mistake.


What? All of them?

I would have thought those poor teenagers were murdered by a handful, don't you?

You should be more mindful of what you write. It comes across as inflammatory and I know a reasonable chap like yourself would not like that to be the case, would you?


Who killed the teenagers? It was Palestinians. What constitutes Palestinians is a small community, is a tight community and is one where Hamas and Fatah have direct control over much of its population. Whomever killed these teens were either directly in one of the many 'resistance' groups' representing Palestinians or were not too far removed from them. The perpetrators would have to be congenital idiots not to know or foretell the consequences of their actions.

As for the second part, thank you for your condescending comments. However, isn't the point of a message to allow an exchange of thoughts? Or as they don't fit with your very narrow World view, they shouldn't be voiced at all? Is that what you are saying?


Matt, I am sorry to jump in on a good old ding-dong between you and our Caledonian friend, but this could rank as one of the siliest and most ill-informed posts I have read on this subject. That would include press releases by the Israeli Defence Force and opinions from the American Christian Right.

There are about 10 million Palestinians. About half live within Israel, mostly crammed into the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The other 5 million or so live in squalid settlement camps in neighbouring Arab countries, pretty much as second class citizens. Let us say that these are probably not places that most of them would like to live, many having been dispossessed of their homes by force by Israelis with many relatives being murdered in the process and within the lifetime of many.

So, which of those Palestinians do you think deserve to be bombed? The ones who committed the atrocity or just a reasonable selection of them? Israel prides itself as being an island of democracy in an otherwise oppressive region and to a large extent that is true - in the way they treat their own people. The way they deal with [admittedly] terrorist acts from Palestinians is very much in keeping with the worst acts of their Arab neighbours. I see no distinction. It is simply insupportable.

 

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