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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 1.39pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that. The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out

I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that.

The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Park Road 16 May 19 1.41pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So you confirm what I hinted at. It isn't the fact that there are new people there (which has always been so by the way) but that it is a particular type of new person you object to. Specifically, Muslims. Yawn! Yes, that's it... Wisbech. How's your white race search on Google getting on? Nearly there?
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Park Road

16 May 19 1.41pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So you confirm what I hinted at. It isn't the fact that there are new people there (which has always been so by the way) but that it is a particular type of new person you object to. Specifically, Muslims.

Yawn! Yes, that's it... Wisbech.
How's your white race search on Google getting on?
Nearly there?

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Park Road 16 May 19 1.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that. The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote. again?Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is... You love to talk on others behalves, and well you just love to talk... But you're wrong in every case
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Park Road

16 May 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that.

The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote.

again?Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is...

You love to talk on others behalves, and well you just love to talk...
But you're wrong in every case

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elgrande bedford 16 May 19 3.36pm
This absolute s* storm all boils down to the EU not wanting to give any assurances or any ley way to the tosspot Cameron. They do not want to reform,they do not want to change...all aboard the gravy train. They are all for big business, and with the freedom of movement they know there is an endless supply of cheap labour. There is a video doing the rounds of a female German politician saying exactly as it is. Personally I think we have shot our bolt with the EU now. Whichever way it goes,any relationship we had with them is gone. I want to leave always have done,but I also wanted our leader to go in hard with the negotiations..not as she did..."please sir can we have". 3 fing years ago we voted to leave...I fear it ain't gonna happen...because those good for nothing t**s in the Westminster bubble don't want it to. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 16 May 19 3.36pm

This absolute s*** storm all boils down to the EU not wanting to give any assurances or any ley way to the tosspot Cameron.

They do not want to reform,they do not want to change...all aboard the gravy train.

They are all for big business, and with the freedom of movement they know there is an endless supply of cheap labour.
There is a video doing the rounds of a female German politician saying exactly as it is.

Personally I think we have shot our bolt with the EU now.
Whichever way it goes,any relationship we had with them is gone.
I want to leave always have done,but I also wanted our leader to go in hard with the negotiations..not as she did..."please sir can we have".
3 f***ing years ago we voted to leave...I fear it ain't gonna happen...because those good for nothing t***s in the Westminster bubble don't want it to.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 4.44pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out I think the biggest problem here is that plenty of people voted leave who are not aligned with your viewpoint, Midlands Eagle. It is hard to hold democracy in high regard on one hand, calling for the vote in 2016 to be respected, otherwise its a betrayal, but on the other hand not accept that the democratic will of millions of leave voters is not a no deal exit. One way to find out would some kind of 2nd vote. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 16 May 19 4.44pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out

I think the biggest problem here is that plenty of people voted leave who are not aligned with your viewpoint, Midlands Eagle.

It is hard to hold democracy in high regard on one hand, calling for the vote in 2016 to be respected, otherwise its a betrayal, but on the other hand not accept that the democratic will of millions of leave voters is not a no deal exit.

One way to find out would some kind of 2nd vote.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 19 6.51pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle I think the biggest problem here is that plenty of people voted leave who are not aligned with your viewpoint, Midlands Eagle. It is hard to hold democracy in high regard on one hand, calling for the vote in 2016 to be respected, otherwise its a betrayal, but on the other hand not accept that the democratic will of millions of leave voters is not a no deal exit. One way to find out would some kind of 2nd vote. Divide and conquer eh? How transparent can you be? There can be no referendum with an option to remain. There can be no referendum with only options for leaving because Remainers will sabotage it. Please stop suggesting what you know is a pathetic attempt to rig a vote.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I think the biggest problem here is that plenty of people voted leave who are not aligned with your viewpoint, Midlands Eagle.

One way to find out would some kind of 2nd vote.

Divide and conquer eh?

How transparent can you be?

There can be no referendum with an option to remain.

There can be no referendum with only options for leaving because Remainers will sabotage it.

Please stop suggesting what you know is a pathetic attempt to rig a vote.

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Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 6.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Divide and conquer eh? How transparent can you be? There can be no referendum with an option to remain. There can be no referendum with only options for leaving because Remainers will sabotage it. Please stop suggesting what you know is a pathetic attempt to rig a vote. Why can there not be an option to remain, if that it now the will of the people? I thought you were all about democracy? However I didnt say that, I just said some kind of 2nd vote to be fair. Again, for the 50th time, we are currently on a road to nowhere so we need some kind of plan to get on to a road to somewhere. In a short while it will be 3 years since the vote, when it gets to 4 years since most elections, the people get another chance to pick a new leader, in most democracies. When does the line get drawn that enough time has passed since an issue was looked at that public opinion may have shifted? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? New vote could have Leave or Remain as question 1, majority wins. Question 2 could then be no deal/may's deal/whatever else for those who want to leave, along an indicative voting process. Then question 1 would be fair wouldn't it, as it wouldn't be splitting the leave vote. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 16 May 19 6.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Divide and conquer eh?

How transparent can you be?

There can be no referendum with an option to remain.

There can be no referendum with only options for leaving because Remainers will sabotage it.

Please stop suggesting what you know is a pathetic attempt to rig a vote.

Why can there not be an option to remain, if that it now the will of the people? I thought you were all about democracy?

However I didnt say that, I just said some kind of 2nd vote to be fair.

Again, for the 50th time, we are currently on a road to nowhere so we need some kind of plan to get on to a road to somewhere.

In a short while it will be 3 years since the vote, when it gets to 4 years since most elections, the people get another chance to pick a new leader, in most democracies.

When does the line get drawn that enough time has passed since an issue was looked at that public opinion may have shifted? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?

New vote could have Leave or Remain as question 1, majority wins.

Question 2 could then be no deal/may's deal/whatever else for those who want to leave, along an indicative voting process.

Then question 1 would be fair wouldn't it, as it wouldn't be splitting the leave vote.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 19 7.01pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Why can there not be an option to remain, if that it now the will of the people? I thought you were all about democracy? However I didnt say that, I just said some kind of 2nd vote to be fair. Again, for the 50th time, we are currently on a road to nowhere so we need some kind of plan to get on to a road to somewhere. In a short while it will be 3 years since the vote, when it gets to 4 years since most elections, the people get another chance to pick a new leader, in most democracies. When does the line get drawn that enough time has passed since an issue was looked at that public opinion may have shifted? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? New vote could have Leave or Remain as question 1, majority wins. Question 2 could then be no deal/may's deal/whatever else for those who want to leave, along an indicative voting process. Then question 1 would be fair wouldn't it, as it wouldn't be splitting the leave vote. What a stupid question. You can't have one option to remain and several to leave. Can you work out why? How many more referendums do you want? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 May 2019 7.03pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

16 May 19 7.01pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Why can there not be an option to remain, if that it now the will of the people? I thought you were all about democracy?

However I didnt say that, I just said some kind of 2nd vote to be fair.

Again, for the 50th time, we are currently on a road to nowhere so we need some kind of plan to get on to a road to somewhere.

In a short while it will be 3 years since the vote, when it gets to 4 years since most elections, the people get another chance to pick a new leader, in most democracies.

When does the line get drawn that enough time has passed since an issue was looked at that public opinion may have shifted? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?

New vote could have Leave or Remain as question 1, majority wins.

Question 2 could then be no deal/may's deal/whatever else for those who want to leave, along an indicative voting process.

Then question 1 would be fair wouldn't it, as it wouldn't be splitting the leave vote.

What a stupid question.
You can't have one option to remain and several to leave.

Can you work out why?

How many more referendums do you want?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 May 2019 7.03pm)

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Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 7.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What a stupid question. You can't have one option to remain and several to leave. Can you work out why? You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you! Let me be sure you understand what I am saying: Question 1 (unrelated to question 2) Leave or Remain - same as 2016. Question 2 (for those who want to leave) May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever. If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how. The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 16 May 19 7.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a stupid question.
You can't have one option to remain and several to leave.

Can you work out why?

You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you!

Let me be sure you understand what I am saying:

Question 1 (unrelated to question 2)

Leave or Remain - same as 2016.

Question 2 (for those who want to leave)

May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever.

If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how.

The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 19 7.29pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you! Let me be sure you understand what I am saying: Question 1 (unrelated to question 2) Leave or Remain - same as 2016. Question 2 (for those who want to leave) May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever. If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how. The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet. Remainers could vote in the second part irrespective of how they voted in the first part. It is a ridiculous idea.
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Hrolf The Ganger

16 May 19 7.29pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you!

Let me be sure you understand what I am saying:

Question 1 (unrelated to question 2)

Leave or Remain - same as 2016.

Question 2 (for those who want to leave)

May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever.

If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how.

The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet.

Remainers could vote in the second part irrespective of how they voted in the first part.

It is a ridiculous idea.

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becky over the moon 16 May 19 7.49pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you! Let me be sure you understand what I am saying: Question 1 (unrelated to question 2) Leave or Remain - same as 2016. Question 2 (for those who want to leave) May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever. If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how. The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet. No, we haven't left yet because the referendum did not produce the result that Cameron and Parliament expected, instead leaving them with a result that they didn't want. Thus they have done everything possible not to deliver what the majority wants A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 16 May 19 7.49pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you!

Let me be sure you understand what I am saying:

Question 1 (unrelated to question 2)

Leave or Remain - same as 2016.

Question 2 (for those who want to leave)

May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever.

If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how.

The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet.

No, we haven't left yet because the referendum did not produce the result that Cameron and Parliament expected, instead leaving them with a result that they didn't want. Thus they have done everything possible not to deliver what the majority wants

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 8.40pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Remainers could vote in the second part irrespective of how they voted in the first part. It is a ridiculous idea. No. The second question would not be counted, on a spoiled ballot, or a ballot which indicates remain on the first question. Another theory would be, why should a remainer not get to have a say in how we leave, even if they don’t want to? It’s their country and economy too. Democracy would indicate everyone should have a say in how to leave, if we must leave? Edited by Maine Eagle (16 May 2019 8.43pm) Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 16 May 19 8.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Remainers could vote in the second part irrespective of how they voted in the first part.

It is a ridiculous idea.

No.

The second question would not be counted, on a spoiled ballot, or a ballot which indicates remain on the first question.

Another theory would be, why should a remainer not get to have a say in how we leave, even if they don’t want to?

It’s their country and economy too. Democracy would indicate everyone should have a say in how to leave, if we must leave?

Edited by Maine Eagle (16 May 2019 8.43pm)

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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