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NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 06 Apr 24 9.06am

The oppression of Jewish people has a long and complex history, spanning centuries. Here are some notable examples of Jewish oppression, though this is by no means an exhaustive list:

1. Ancient Times: In ancient Egypt, Jewish people, along with other Hebrews, were subjected to slavery and mistreatment. This oppression continued until their liberation, as described in the biblical book of Exodus.

2. Expulsion from Judea: In 70 AD, the Roman Empire destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem and expelled Jewish people from Judea. This marked the beginning of the Jewish diaspora, a period of dispersion and persecution.

3. Medieval Europe: In medieval Europe, Jewish communities faced significant persecution. They were subjected to discriminatory laws, restricted from owning land, and often forced to live in segregated areas known as ghettos. Pogroms, violent attacks against Jewish communities, were also common.

4. The Inquisition: During the Spanish Inquisition of the 15th century, Jewis

5. Present day: anti semitism on the rise. I hate that word it's just pure racism nothing else. Just like Hitler convinced the Germans that the Jews were the bad people. Now the woke fraternity is doing the same.

It's time to wake up. Blaming ,free democracies for the evils of terrorism and the aftermath of terrorist attacks.

You reap what you sow.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Apr 24 10.17am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

You are acting like a spoiled little brat. I keep giving you solutions but, you just ignore them and make silly statements like well if Hammas doesn't want to surrender then it doesn't justify all the civilians being killed. well, it doesn't.

I know for a fact.if you were being harassed year after the year by some chavs in your area. Smashing your house windows. Harassing you everyday and finally taking one of your kids as a hostage. Believe me you would not be saying the things you are saying now.

You are not giving ‘solutions’ any more than an average 6 year old might - ‘one side could just surrender’ is not a remotely serious solution.

The analogy is just poor and inaccurate.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Apr 24 10.22am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

Another silly comment.

Everybody worries about Palestinian citizens but, nobody gives a f*** about the hostages

Israel has faced a range of threats over the decades since its establishment in 1948.

There was the Arab-Israeli Wars: Upon its creation, Israel faced immediate military threats from neighboring Arab countries such as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Iraq. These countries sought to overturn Israel's existence, leading to the 1948 War of Independence, 1956 Suez Crisis, 1967 Six-Day War, and 1973 Yom Kippur War. These conflicts involved large-scale military operations, including conventional warfare, aerial battles, and ground offensives. Israel won.

But it didn't stop there. Palestinian Terrorism started: Israel has been subjected to persistent acts of terrorism carried out by different Palestinian groups, aiming to undermine the state's security and morale. Notable examples include the wave of airplane hijackings in the 1970s, such as the Dawson's Field hijackings; suicide bombings during the Second Intifada (2000-2005); and attacks by groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP).

And if that wasn't enough, what about Hezbollah: Israel has had ongoing confrontations with the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon to combat Palestinian groups, and this led to the creation and strengthening of Hezbollah. The group engaged in guerrilla warfare against Israeli forces in south Lebanon, including rocket attacks, kidnappings, and suicide bombings. The 2006 Lebanon War was a significant conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

Then there is the Iranian Threat: Israel perceives Iran's nuclear program as a significant threat to its security. Israeli governments have repeatedly voiced concerns over Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons and its support for militant proxies in the region. Israel has warned against the possibility of a nuclear-armed Iran, even conducting covert actions against Iran's nuclear infrastructure such as the Stuxnet cyberattack.

Also ,Intermittent Border Conflicts: Along its borders, Israel has faced sporadic conflicts with various militant factions, such as Hamas in the Gaza Strip and militant groups in the Sinai Peninsula. These conflicts have involved rocket attacks, armed infiltrations, and occasional ground offensives, including operations such as Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009, Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, and Operation Protective Edge in 2014.

Internal Security Threats: Israel has also dealt with internal security threats, including radicalization and acts of violence by extremist groups like Jewish terrorists. Examples include the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 by a Jewish extremist and sporadic attacks on Palestinians by far-right Israeli settlers.

So it would be nice for you to recognize the s*** the Israelis have to go through all their lives. It would be nice if the hostages were mentioned at least once on these sites.

As for current situation with the Palestinian civilians all Hamas has to do is surrender

Why is it silly? Leveraging the ongoing massacre of civilians to achieve a military surrender is a war crime. That’s not my opinion.

The rest of your selective history lesson is essentially irrelevant to this conversation - unless you’re again suggesting that international law should not apply if you’ve been a victim previously, it’s just pure distraction from Israel’s current action, which is all I am discussing.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Apr 24 10.23am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You are not giving ‘solutions’ any more than an average 6 year old might - ‘one side could just surrender’ is not a remotely serious solution.

The analogy is just poor and inaccurate.

So Israel pull out and stop the war. Then what?

 

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NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 06 Apr 24 10.29am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You are not giving ‘solutions’ any more than an average 6 year old might - ‘one side could just surrender’ is not a remotely serious solution.

The analogy is just poor and inaccurate.

It sounds like you're frustrated with the situation and feel like the solutions suggested aren't practical. Perhaps we can explore alternative approaches or discuss the underlying issues to find a more constructive way forward?

 

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NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 06 Apr 24 11.12am

Originally posted by cryrst

So Israel pull out and stop the war. Then what?

Exactly! It's always Israel has to do something and Hamas gets a free pass.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Apr 24 11.33am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Why is it silly? Leveraging the ongoing massacre of civilians to achieve a military surrender is a war crime. That’s not my opinion.

The rest of your selective history lesson is essentially irrelevant to this conversation - unless you’re again suggesting that international law should not apply if you’ve been a victim previously, it’s just pure distraction from Israel’s current action, which is all I am discussing.

I'd ask a simple question.

If Hamas cared as much about their people as you clearly do, why don't they release what's left of the hostages and surrender?

That would end the killing and suffering one suspects.

I also suspect that they have no desire for the conflict to stop or give a damn about the lives being lost.
I'd guess that all they are thinking about right now is regrouping at some point and attacking Israel again.

If you are going to show your disgust, then show it for humanity. These two sides are just part of the same problem. Man's inhumanity to man. It just so happens that one of them is on our side of the board.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Apr 2024 11.34am)

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 07 Apr 24 12.03am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'd ask a simple question.

If Hamas cared as much about their people as you clearly do, why don't they release what's left of the hostages and surrender?

That would end the killing and suffering one suspects.

I also suspect that they have no desire for the conflict to stop or give a damn about the lives being lost.
I'd guess that all they are thinking about right now is regrouping at some point and attacking Israel again.

If you are going to show your disgust, then show it for humanity. These two sides are just part of the same problem. Man's inhumanity to man. It just so happens that one of them is on our side of the board.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Apr 2024 11.34am)

The end of the current violence is in the hands of Hamas, there are still those on here who view them as freedom fighters etc.


This is just another terrible round in the circle of violence, this time totally caused by Hamas on October 7th.

Those who will spit out the " history of the region " defence need to live in the present if this is ever going to end.

Life is not fair and will not start being so anytime soon.

Edited by HKOwen (07 Apr 2024 12.04am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 07 Apr 24 5.39am

Originally posted by HKOwen

The end of the current violence is in the hands of Hamas, there are still those on here who view them as freedom fighters etc.


This is just another terrible round in the circle of violence, this time totally caused by Hamas on October 7th.

Those who will spit out the " history of the region " defence need to live in the present if this is ever going to end.

Life is not fair and will not start being so anytime soon.

Edited by HKOwen (07 Apr 2024 12.04am)

I wouldn't bother with him. He clearly doesn't understand the nuances of a conflict. He's just another woke crying for attention showing everybody how selectively compassionate he is.
I have given him numerous solutions and he just calls me a 6 year old without actually giving any solutions himself.


Hamas does not prioritize human life for several reasons. One key factor is their extremist ideology or political goals, which may justify the use of violence and disregard for human life as a means to achieve their objectives. Hamas, believes that the end justifies the means and that sacrificing lives, including their own members and innocent civilians, is necessary for their cause.

Hamas also seek to instill fear and create chaos in society by targeting innocent people. By causing mass casualties and inflicting harm on civilians, they aim to spread terror and disrupt the normal functioning of society. This disregard for human life serves their purpose of gaining attention, creating divisions, and destabilizing governments or social structures.

Furthermore, Hamas operates in environments where they have little respect for international laws and norms. They may view their enemies as legitimate targets and see any means, including indiscriminate violence, as justified in their struggle.

Most individuals and societies like Israel and the west value human life and condemn acts of terrorism. Others, will unwittingly support them ...

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 08 Apr 24 10.29am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'd ask a simple question.

If Hamas cared as much about their people as you clearly do, why don't they release what's left of the hostages and surrender?

That would end the killing and suffering one suspects.

I also suspect that they have no desire for the conflict to stop or give a damn about the lives being lost.
I'd guess that all they are thinking about right now is regrouping at some point and attacking Israel again.

If you are going to show your disgust, then show it for humanity. These two sides are just part of the same problem. Man's inhumanity to man. It just so happens that one of them is on our side of the board.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Apr 2024 11.34am)


Hamas don't care about civilians, and absolutely will be planning future attacks.

None of which makes Israel's current conduct any more legal or moral.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 08 Apr 24 10.35am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

It sounds like you're frustrated with the situation and feel like the solutions suggested aren't practical. Perhaps we can explore alternative approaches or discuss the underlying issues to find a more constructive way forward?

I'd question how anyone could not be feeling at least 'frustrated' at a situation which is seeing children being massacred in their thousands.

The solution is for Israel to stop doing it, obviously. The solution is for Israel to respect international law and it's commitments as an advanced democracy, obviously.

Israel is more than capable of enforcing it's borders without bombing the s*** out of innocent people every day. That's my solution.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 08 Apr 24 10.40am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

I wouldn't bother with him. He clearly doesn't understand the nuances of a conflict. He's just another woke crying for attention showing everybody how selectively compassionate he is.
I have given him numerous solutions and he just calls me a 6 year old without actually giving any solutions himself.


Hamas does not prioritize human life for several reasons. One key factor is their extremist ideology or political goals, which may justify the use of violence and disregard for human life as a means to achieve their objectives. Hamas, believes that the end justifies the means and that sacrificing lives, including their own members and innocent civilians, is necessary for their cause.

Hamas also seek to instill fear and create chaos in society by targeting innocent people. By causing mass casualties and inflicting harm on civilians, they aim to spread terror and disrupt the normal functioning of society. This disregard for human life serves their purpose of gaining attention, creating divisions, and destabilizing governments or social structures.

Furthermore, Hamas operates in environments where they have little respect for international laws and norms. They may view their enemies as legitimate targets and see any means, including indiscriminate violence, as justified in their struggle.

Most individuals and societies like Israel and the west value human life and condemn acts of terrorism. Others, will unwittingly support them ...

I see the faux-academic mask is slipping - that didn't take long.

Pro-Israel posters on this thread invariably end up throwing insults around as they tie themselves further and further in moral knots to try and justify a position which simply can't be justified. You're just the latest victim of that, so I'm not surprised.

I am quite curious as to why people do it rather than just acknowledge an obvious truth - no doubt there are religious/cultural ties to Israel in some cases, and in others I think extreme Islamophobia is the driving force, but it's such a strange hill to die on - mental gymnastics to make yourself comfortable with a genocidal regime massacring women and children. A very strange phenomena.

 

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