I think you're find that IQ gives a far better determination on that criteria than natural selection. But I realise that you were being flippant and not making an exact point.

No, I very much appreciate that it's a sign of civilisation that we help the vulnerable and preserve and cherish life (but charity begins at home in my book). However, this does not make me blind to the stark facts of life...and more importantly the statistics....something the modern culture is extremely selective about due to ideology.

Eugenics is a fact of life that is carried out every day both in nature and by design but that's another conversation.

When natural selection is working properly....ie before modern medical science changed the picture (obviously not a negative). The sheer brutality of iller people dying off before reproduction and/or not being selected for reproduction by females meant that poor genes were reproduced less often.

Hence by natural selection I mean the percentage of robust genes within the general population.

Life expectancy increases are entirely down to medical science and not a reflection of robustness of genes....in fact as implied they work against their percentage in the population and over time increase the amount of poor genes within the pool.....there are lot of side effects over time, like IQ going down and so on....it's a civilisational success but until gene breakthroughs society slowly degenerates both physically and mentally.

Someone being able to attain high fitness, maybe....is to an extent...a by-product of natural selection but it's a relative aesthetic in comparison unless that person keeps it up all their life.

I'm not being paid am I? I mean, if you want me to dedicate time to this I'll seek out finer details out for you but let's just appreciate that I introduced you to info you weren't aware of.

If you repeat the causality and correlation meme I'll repeat back to you the rather obvious fact that most causality has correlation so it's never been much of a come back argument.

My wider point is irritation with the hubris displayed around over certainty regarding these vaccines. The reality is that many highly educated people are more skeptical of claims than the more trusting general population.

There wasn't really another point other than that......my thoughts upon the whole covid situation are well documented.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Aug 2023 6.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I suggest you read the comments preceding mine. It was merely a tongue-in-cheek bit of sarcasm, not worth building a molehill out of, let alone a mountain.

If you wish to regard me as a misogynist, fine, carry on. I will neither lose any sleep over it nor post what I think of you. Personal comments aren't permitted here, and some try to abide by the rules.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Why is expressing a different opinion "moaning"? Lessons learned by whom? Presumably those who make the decisions who didn't undergo the same difficulties and on several occasions ignored the rules they had put in place. Meanwhile those who lost their job, had their children's education severely interrupted and now can't get medical treatment should just get over it.
If moaning is the criterion then the US politics thread should be closed down immediately.

You can call it whatever you like. It’s still a waste of time. The lessons are to be learned by those who would need to react, on our behalf, to a future crisis of a similar nature.

Just continuing to list some of the known issues is what is the waste of time. They are done. What isn’t is what is ahead, and that’s where the focus needs to be.

We certainly cannot influence US politics but they are important to us so are interesting to observe and discuss, especially when some aspects get replicated here.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Campbell cites a new study from Israel (where independent studies seem common) that shows that natural immunity after infection is significantly better than vaccine induced immunity on beating off reinfection.

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Are certain people going to start calling for the ban of vaccinated people from social events? Blame them for taking up hospital beds for example.

Hopefully not because only awful people would do something like that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Aug 2023 10.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

But how conversations are framed is not your decision; as always if you're bothered by the direction of travel then don't participate.
The thing with lockdowns is that many of those who were at statistically the least risk had to put with the most difficulty and disruption to their lives and are now dealing with the consequent inflation as well as, in some cases, being accused of selfishness for not getting vaccinated. Now everyone is expected to calmly accept what happened and wait a few years to find out about "lessons learned".