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BlueJay UK 16 Apr 22 12.54am | |
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The inherent nature of the conflict (an invasion - one by a country that reels off Carry On film level lies daily) is more than revealing of what's happening on the ground. Big pictures aren't shifted by minor detail. If a nutjob attacks and injures you in the street, you're hardly getting a crime lab in to investigate every single punch. The event is what it is. Anti western types are so eager to look, Maid Marian style, for a savior from wherever, that they care not to attributes any criteria to that as their allegiance loosens. Edited by BlueJay (16 Apr 2022 1.13am)
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The Dolphin 16 Apr 22 8.30am | |
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Whilst the ramifications do not hear thinking about I truly believe that the West needs to step up now with a huge show of force on the borders with Ukraine and be prepared for the very worst.
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The Dolphin 16 Apr 22 8.35am | |
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I also read confirmation that the SAS are now in Ukraine.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 22 10.01am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
How do you know that what you are seeing is any less biased, for example, than what the Russians are seeing? I could link you right now to footage of Russian supporting Ukrainians in Ukrainian towns complaining that the Ukrainians are shelling them indiscriminately. While I blame Russia for starting this war, the wider realities of what happens within it aren't a 'goodies and baddies, black and white' situation. I think you have to greet each event with fresh eyes if you're actually interested in a truth over a narrative. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2022 10.41pm) I don't think anyone doubts that the Ukrainian military are targetting areas that are occupied by the Russians, especially those held since 2014. That's what happens in wars. You have the freedom to see that. The Russians cannot see the devastation they have caused. That's what I am referring to. The widespread, total destruction of civilian areas, which don't have any obvious military implications. It's the scale which is important. One hut on fire is hardly comparable with a street of tower blocks in ruins. We are seeing the truth, and to accept anything else is to fall prey to propaganda.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 22 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I also read confirmation that the SAS are now in Ukraine. Where have you picked that up? I very much doubt it myself. I cannot see us risking putting SAS personnel into Ukraine, unsupported. What would their role be? What realistic impact could they have? We may have some liaison officers to ascertain what hardware they need, but that would be the extent of it. I also doubt they will be in Moscow. There's no point.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Apr 22 10.22am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Where have you picked that up? I very much doubt it myself. I cannot see us risking putting SAS personnel into Ukraine, unsupported. What would their role be? What realistic impact could they have? We may have some liaison officers to ascertain what hardware they need, but that would be the extent of it. I also doubt they will be in Moscow. There's no point. They may not be there in an official capacity.
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Stirlingsays 16 Apr 22 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think anyone doubts that the Ukrainian military are targetting areas that are occupied by the Russians, especially those held since 2014. That's what happens in wars. You have the freedom to see that. The Russians cannot see the devastation they have caused. That's what I am referring to. The widespread, total destruction of civilian areas, which don't have any obvious military implications. It's the scale which is important. One hut on fire is hardly comparable with a street of tower blocks in ruins. We are seeing the truth, and to accept anything else is to fall prey to propaganda. One hut? Go back to the channel and watch the videos. You don't seem to realise that there is a lot of people who see themselves as Russians who have been living in East and South Ukraine for centuries. You are only seeing one side, which is pretty much the definition of believing in propaganda. To understand this conflict you need to understand the history of the region, especially since 2014. I doubt you have looked into it at all or even care. I'm no expert on Ukrainian/Russian history but I've learnt enough to dismiss simplistic claims. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2022 10.33am)
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Stirlingsays 16 Apr 22 10.40am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Whilst the ramifications do not hear thinking about I truly believe that the West needs to step up now with a huge show of force on the borders with Ukraine and be prepared for the very worst. Unless Putin attacks Nato territory, which he hasn't threatened to do there is no need to think in nuclear terms. Russia does not have the military manpower nor the need to attack mainland Europe. The only war there would be nuclear and that only happens if Russia feels under existential threat. Nato is already boosting troops and equipment in Nato countries and that's just sensible. There is no need to escalate beyond that.
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BlueJay UK 16 Apr 22 10.49am | |
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Russia bans Johnson from country over Ukraine war - [Link] I can't imagine he'd have been too eager to visit anytime soon anyway.. Again Putin paints a narrative that he and Russia are suddenly being attacked, when it's their failing invasion that is to blame for countries arming his neighbours under siege. Edited by BlueJay (16 Apr 2022 10.52am)
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The Dolphin 16 Apr 22 12.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Where have you picked that up? I very much doubt it myself. I cannot see us risking putting SAS personnel into Ukraine, unsupported. What would their role be? What realistic impact could they have? We may have some liaison officers to ascertain what hardware they need, but that would be the extent of it. I also doubt they will be in Moscow. There's no point. I doubt they are in Moscow - I just wished that they were!
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The Dolphin 16 Apr 22 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Where have you picked that up? I very much doubt it myself. I cannot see us risking putting SAS personnel into Ukraine, unsupported. What would their role be? What realistic impact could they have? We may have some liaison officers to ascertain what hardware they need, but that would be the extent of it. I also doubt they will be in Moscow. There's no point. The SAS, Britain's famed special forces corps, has been training Ukrainian soldiers on the ground in the Kyiv region, Ukrainian military sources have told The Times of London. Officers from two battalions told the newspaper on Friday that SAS troops led training sessions last week and the week before. One commander said the trainers showed how to use NLAWs, a type of British anti-tank missile. The report of serving British soldiers on the ground in Ukraine for the first time has not been confirmed by the UK Ministry of Defence.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Apr 22 5.22pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I also read confirmation that the SAS are now in Ukraine. Pepper pig world here for sure!
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