The way I see it is, if making all our own laws and striking out on our own works for us long term, great. Let's give it a go.

If it doesn't, we should be able to admit as much and think about what that means.

If the choice becomes make all our own laws but be significantly worse off vs. make most of our own laws and allow some concessions and be significantly better off, logically there's only one choice there.

Are you able to agree on that or would you prepared to cut your nose off to spite your own face / die on the hill of ideology by sticking with the former scenario, discarding all logic and reason?

Edited by SW19 CPFC (21 Feb 2023 10.58pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Quite a surprise you frame your argument around something entirely subjective.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

What do you mean by "significantly worse off vs." ...."significantly better off" exactly? How would this be measured?

Also, if it works, would you be able to agree on that or would you (be) prepared to cut your nose off to spite your own face / die on the hill of ideology by sticking with the latter scenario, discarding all logic and reason?

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

They are selective facts that do not give the whole picture. From the EU’s own website:
The EU ‘parliament’ can debate legislation. It can pass or reject laws, and it can also make amendments, but not in all cases. If the law is about EU budgets, the 'parliament' can only advise on it – it does not have the power to reject the law. For so called 'special legislative procedures' the EU 'parliament' has only a consultative role.
It establishes an EU budget (along with the Council of the EU). Laws must also be passed by the [self-appointed] Council of the EU in order to become law.
Unlike most national parliaments, the European Parliament cannot initiate legislation. The [unelected] European Commission is the only EU institution with the power to initiate new laws.

As that definition is true for our own, and other, national parliaments I can see why the OED define it like that. However, it isn't strictly true. It's a word that, like so many, has evolved over time. Merriam-Webster have a number of definitions including "a formal conference for the discussion of public affairs, specifically : a council of state in early medieval England". It comes from the French word "parler", meaning "to talk" and originally that's what parliaments did.

So the EU are using it in a broader sense than the narrower understanding that has evolved in the UK.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

This has the merit of being both practical and possible. It matches my own expectations. How deeply we delegate responsibility is another debate, but once the general principle of subsidiarity is accepted then we are on the right track. I don't see either foreign policy or taxation ever being accepted as delegated powers by us. That might happen for the inner core countries, by separate arrangements. Some practical aspects of social policy might.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.