This was the ship involved in the ''Russian ship, go f*** yourself'' meme from Snake island earlier in the war.

According to Forbes, the cruiser 'Moskova' is worth about $ 750 million dollars. This makes it the single biggest loss that Russia have suffered so far. Before the Ukraine hit the "Moscow", the most expensive loss for Russia was a large landing aircraft Il-76. Its cost estimated at 86 million dollars.

The entire crew, whose full-time strength is 500-760 people, was evacuated, according to the Russian MoD.

Russia claimed that the ship was badly damaged due to an ammo explosion, whereas Ukraine claim to have hit it with two missiles.....both could be true of course with the missiles causing am internal ammo explosion.

Both sides obviously lie but here I'm inclined to believe the Moskova probably was hit by Ukrainian missiles as stated....subsequently highly damaged or sinking.

Otherwise just how would Ukraine know a ship out at sea was damaged with in hours to make the claim?

It wasn't until the next day that Russia said the ship was damaged.

The Moskova was ironically built in the Nikolaev naval yard in Ukraine.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Apr 2022 11.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Still at least your beloved EU are still giving s***loads to your beloved Russia

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Most definitely Neptune's got it, The Russian navy would be totally inept if "a fire" just broke out and sunk the ship, though not totally unknown for Soviet engine fires.

Slava's may be long in the tooth but the Moscow was supposed to be refitted. They are big ships in comparison to NATO.

The interesting piece in the sinking is that the triple layer protection and radar systems did not work. Obviously not 360.

Do you not think that with the pictures we are being shown, both by the journalists and via satellite images, we are better able to know rather more objective truth with this war than with any past one? I am not suggesting we know it all, or that both sides don't use propaganda, only that we perhaps know rather more than we did in the past.

This means, I think, that the Russian claims look so demonstrably false to us that it has hardened our resolve.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

What I mean is not how others interpret things for us, but what we see for ourselves that are unarguably true. Those things that are not being shown to the Russians. They might be able to present attacking a city with indiscriminate shelling and missiles as a "liberation" to their own people, but we know otherwise. There really is no room for any doubt, is there?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

How do you know that what you are seeing is any less biased, for example, than what the Russians are seeing?

I could link you right now to footage of Russian supporting Ukrainians in Ukrainian towns complaining that the Ukrainians are shelling them indiscriminately.

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While I blame Russia for starting this war, the wider realities of what happens within it aren't a 'goodies and baddies, black and white' situation. I think you have to greet each event with fresh eyes if you're actually interested in a truth over a narrative.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2022 10.41pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)