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georgenorman 08 Dec 21 5.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As no-one I associate with the term "one nation conservative", would have admitted Corbyn into any club of theirs, I think you are either talking through your rear end, being silly, or are making some kind of pathetic and ridiculous jibe. Corbyn is as far away on the left of politics from the values held by true one nation conservatives, as someone like Jacob Rees-Mogg, or Daniel Hannan, are on the right. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Dec 2021 2.18pm) So are you, but you call yourself a one nation conservative.
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Stirlingsays 08 Dec 21 5.34pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So are you, but you call yourself a one nation conservative. He's to 'one nation conservatism' what Stalin was to grief counselling.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 21 9.26pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So are you, but you call yourself a one nation conservative. Thinking someone with centre right political views is aligned in any way with Corbyn is plain daft. As I have said in these pages many times, I loath Corbyn and his politics. As I also blame him for Brexit, he is not my favourite person.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Dec 21 9.42pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 21 9.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He's to 'one nation conservatism' what Stalin was to grief counselling. My political views are far closer to the traditional heart of the Conservative Party of my youth than those you espouse. You are to conservatism what Oswald Mosely was to compassion.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 21 9.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Judged on previous comments, I doubt it. If it was it was seriously unfunny.
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georgenorman 08 Dec 21 10.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Judged on previous comments, I doubt it. If it was it was seriously unfunny. Don't one nation conservatives have a sense of humour? You/they make me laugh anyway.
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Stirlingsays 08 Dec 21 10.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My political views are far closer to the traditional heart of the Conservative Party of my youth than those you espouse. You are to conservatism what Oswald Mosely was to compassion. Really? I doubt that anyone, even my critics on here would consider you more of a conservative than me. The only people who defend you are on the left....if voting Labour is your support base then perhaps that should teach you something. Outside of the financial protection of your own wallet what 'traditional' conservative views do you believe in? You're a knee bending liberal who just exists to troll the right on here.....someone who defended the Police for keeping it quiet when vulnerable white and some Sikh girls are being mass raped up and down the country. Yeah, real 'traditional' conservativism that. Makes me sick.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 21 11.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really? I doubt that anyone, even my critics on here would consider you more of a conservative than me. The only people who defend you are on the left....if voting Labour is your support base then perhaps that should teach you something. Outside of the financial protection of your own wallet what 'traditional' conservative views do you believe in? You're a knee bending liberal who just exists to troll the right on here.....someone who defended the Police for keeping it quiet when vulnerable white and some Sikh girls are being mass raped up and down the country. Yeah, real 'traditional' conservativism that. Makes me sick.
I wrote exactly what I meant. Which is my views are closer to the heart of the traditional Conservative Party of my youth than yours are. That's the truth. Not today's Tory Party, which is nothing like the one I admire, and not your type of "conservatism" which is way out on the extremes, beyond even the current mob, who are bad enough. What do I believe in? Fiscal responsibility. Balanced budgets and not living beyond your means. Hard work. Full employment. Rewarding enterprise. I also believe in a meritocracy and a society which protects the vulnerable but is intolerant of laziness. I believe in upholding the law and our values. In joining others in preserving peace and in helping other nations to grow, be healthy and happy. I refuse to correct your slanders about my views on the grooming gangs again. I have done it countless times, but it makes no impression on you at all. I will just say, for the avoidance of any doubt, that these assertions are untrue. You revert to them whenever you run out of arguments and look for some mud to throw. It's pathetic.
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Stirlingsays 08 Dec 21 11.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I wrote exactly what I meant. Which is my views are closer to the heart of the traditional Conservative Party of my youth than yours are. That's the truth. Not today's Tory Party, which is nothing like the one I admire, and not your type of "conservatism" which is way out on the extremes, beyond even the current mob, who are bad enough. What do I believe in? Fiscal responsibility. Balanced budgets and not living beyond your means. Hard work. Full employment. Rewarding enterprise. I also believe in a meritocracy and a society which protects the vulnerable but is intolerant of laziness. I believe in upholding the law and our values. In joining others in preserving peace and in helping other nations to grow, be healthy and happy. I refuse to correct your slanders about my views on the grooming gangs again. I have done it countless times, but it makes no impression on you at all. I will just say, for the avoidance of any doubt, that these assertions are untrue. You revert to them whenever you run out of arguments and look for some mud to throw. It's pathetic. You supported the actions of the Police in handling the grooming gangs and you only modified the presentation of your views under significant and pretty constant criticism......and all that criticism I might add came from conservatives. As for your politics....there you go. Couldn't name one 'traditional' conservative policy he supported outside of the protection of his own wallet. Other than that nothing you said couldn't have been said by any mainstream party. You are a fraud. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2021 11.40pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 21 11.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You are the sabre rattler as your words show here. No we aren't at war with Russia and attacks on systems come from all sides including us. The reality is that Trump had a far better relationship with Russia and that has very real consequences for everyone if this kicks off.....and I don't know about others but I have zero interest in conflicts over ideas or frigging anything else. People like you....meaning the Democrats have zero influence and zero goodwill with Putin and only mistrust which can only lead to worst outcomes. Incompetent people lauded by and put there by people like yourself. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2021 2.30pm) I don't doubt for a moment that our own security forces aren't at work trying to influence public opinion in Russia. It will be though much harder to do there, where most of the media is under heavy state control. Facebook, and others, are now facing heavy fines if they publish content the Kremlin disapproves of. It's a thin wedge. Of course, Trump enjoyed a better relationship. There are very, very big questions, though, as to why that was. You are an apologist for that relationship. I am not. You don't cosy up to someone like Putin, who will knife you in the back whilst smiling and shaking your other hand. Keeping Russia at arms length and disrupting their attempts at influencing opinion in the USA and the west generally is vital. It's been allowed to grow far too much and is the primary reason for the divide in the USA being made ever wider. Putin saw it as a way to weaken the USA and has rigorously exploited it. That some in the USA allow themselves to be used in this way, is shameful. That others just follow because they believe in the crap is unfortunate. That you refuse to see it, is astonishing. The way you dismiss Trump's undoubted connections with, and acceptance of support from, Putin, is strong evidence that you too have been taken in by the cyberwar, and are one of the "willing idiots" Putin relies on to carry his swords. For war, it is, no matter how much you deny it.
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georgenorman 09 Dec 21 8.41am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I wrote exactly what I meant. Which is my views are closer to the heart of the traditional Conservative Party of my youth than yours are. That's the truth. Not today's Tory Party, which is nothing like the one I admire, and not your type of "conservatism" which is way out on the extremes, beyond even the current mob, who are bad enough. What do I believe in? Fiscal responsibility. Balanced budgets and not living beyond your means. Hard work. Full employment. Rewarding enterprise. I also believe in a meritocracy and a society which protects the vulnerable but is intolerant of laziness. I believe in upholding the law and our values. In joining others in preserving peace and in helping other nations to grow, be healthy and happy. I refuse to correct your slanders about my views on the grooming gangs again. I have done it countless times, but it makes no impression on you at all. I will just say, for the avoidance of any doubt, that these assertions are untrue. You revert to them whenever you run out of arguments and look for some mud to throw. It's pathetic. I accpet that you are like some of the one nation conservatives of your youth - Kim Philby springs to mind.
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