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Teddy Eagle 30 Aug 23 4.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Look where it come from though. Can Koch brothers funded media be trusted to provide an objective analysis? Not if you read the report itself it can’t! Since no one except the BBC can be trusted that doesn't answer the points raised.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Aug 23 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Since no one except the BBC can be trusted that doesn't answer the points raised. The points raised were answered in the report it was reporting on, along with other fairly similar reports. It’s obvious there isn’t any kind of consensus or settled view on this so what we get is cherry picking of statistics by those with a predetermined opinion to support. In other words a complete waste of time. The only place where something sensible will emerge is the enquiry, but I guarantee that whatever it finds and recommends will be rejected by someone and this debate will continue until the next time some control measures are being considered.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Aug 23 9.47pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You mentioned Harmsworth first. Fine sexist slur, but one would expect nothing less from you. By the way my grandfather was a gas-fitter - alas not around any longer to service gas appliances Check the context. It followed directly from something to do with this thread. Yours doesn’t. Nor does your ludicrous continued reference to gas appliances and fitters, which not only has no connection to the thread has no connection to anything else here. Nothing in the least sexist in the remark. Provactive I grant you.
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Teddy Eagle 30 Aug 23 10.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The points raised were answered in the report it was reporting on, along with other fairly similar reports. It’s obvious there isn’t any kind of consensus or settled view on this so what we get is cherry picking of statistics by those with a predetermined opinion to support. In other words a complete waste of time. The only place where something sensible will emerge is the enquiry, but I guarantee that whatever it finds and recommends will be rejected by someone and this debate will continue until the next time some control measures are being considered. How can the points raised be answered in the report when they're actually about that report?
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georgenorman 30 Aug 23 10.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Check the context. It followed directly from something to do with this thread. Yours doesn’t. Nor does your ludicrous continued reference to gas appliances and fitters, which not only has no connection to the thread has no connection to anything else here. Nothing in the least sexist in the remark. Provactive I grant you. You are becoming more and more absurd. Your reference to Harmsworth appears to be that he is not taxed enough, what has that to do with a virus. Clearly you made a sexist remark by describing a woman, who happens to have had a sexual relationship with someone, as a 'tart'.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 23 8.25am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How can the points raised be answered in the report when they're actually about that report? Because what headlines intimate is not actually what is there. It’s spinning to build a house on sand. You can question all you wish and be as unhappy that the answers are not what you want them to be. My point is that it’s a waste of time and energy. We did what we did. Now we need to analyse and learn so if something similar is faced we can improve. The only way to do that effectively is to do it systematically and objectively, via a calm, measured approach resulting in a detailed report and recommendations. Not by blowing hot air generated by long held prejudices.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 23 8.43am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You are becoming more and more absurd. Your reference to Harmsworth appears to be that he is not taxed enough, what has that to do with a virus. Clearly you made a sexist remark by describing a woman, who happens to have had a sexual relationship with someone, as a 'tart'. The reference to Harmsworth was in the context of him being the owner of a newspaper, which had been commented on as criticising government policy to do with Covid. It was a tenuous link, but one that exists. Yours doesn’t. What I wrote was “a bit of a tart”! Which is a description of anyone, of any sex, who decides to behave irresponsibly, sometimes in a sexually provocative way.
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Teddy Eagle 31 Aug 23 9.00am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because what headlines intimate is not actually what is there. It’s spinning to build a house on sand. You can question all you wish and be as unhappy that the answers are not what you want them to be. My point is that it’s a waste of time and energy. We did what we did. Now we need to analyse and learn so if something similar is faced we can improve. The only way to do that effectively is to do it systematically and objectively, via a calm, measured approach resulting in a detailed report and recommendations. Not by blowing hot air generated by long held prejudices. I fully expect many to be unhappy at whatever the enquiry decides but there is nothing they can do beyond complaining.
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georgenorman 31 Aug 23 10.06am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The reference to Harmsworth was in the context of him being the owner of a newspaper, which had been commented on as criticising government policy to do with Covid. It was a tenuous link, but one that exists. Yours doesn’t. What I wrote was “a bit of a tart”! Which is a description of anyone, of any sex, who decides to behave irresponsibly, sometimes in a sexually provocative way. My post was in response to you making a gratuitous remark about Harmsworth's wealth somehow being protected by the Tories. It was you that introduced Harmsworth to the thread, not me. How were Lord Northcliffe and Louise Owen behaving irresponsibly or being 'sexually provocative' in having a personal relationship?
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eaglesdare 31 Aug 23 10.28am | |
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I see there is a new "variant" strain just in time to scare people into getting another booster. Wonder what the uptake will be.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 23 3.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I fully expect many to be unhappy at whatever the enquiry decides but there is nothing they can do beyond complaining. Unquestionably true but complaining isn’t going to help. Only providing evidence to the enquiry can do that. I know I was relevantly lucky, being retired and living where I do. It’s just that stage of my life. I have lived in very different circumstances at other stages.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Aug 23 3.11pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I see there is a new "variant" strain just in time to scare people into getting another booster. Wonder what the uptake will be. Let’s hope they understand the need for it rather better than you seem to and aren’t so silly as to listen to all the nonsense spread by the anti-vax brigade.
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