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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 May 17 10.33am | |
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Originally posted by susmik
It is not only me that thinks Corbyns manifesto will kill this country: "BUSINESS grandee and former Labour Minister Digby Jones claims “ignorant” Jeremy Corbyn will spark an exodus from Britain. Referring to yesterday’s manifesto launch, he said: “I watched it open mouthed. Tim Knox of the Centre for Policy Studies said Britain would become the “sick man of Europe” under Labour. Now as for saying my analysis is asinine I think you are the one that is brain washed and not thinking straight. You are so Labour you cannot see the wood for the trees. Its a good job former Labour Minister Digby Jones has seen the light because you certainly have not and it is a waste of time debating with you as so many others in this thread have realised. The Centre for Policy Studies is a Conservative mouthpiece whose aims include the rolling back of the state. So they are hardly partisan. Digby Jones is a Baron who represents big business and has significant vested interests. I'm not "so Labour". I'm perfectly willing to debate and I look forward to looking at the merits of the Conservative manifesto. I don't agree with everything in the manifesto, but I'm convinced that the Tories have done a bad job on the economy and that austerity and cuts to public spending at times when the economy is depressed is damaging. I'm also convinced that they are liars and that they have used austerity ideologically while claiming it was the medicine we all needed. I also firmly believe that the levels of inequality we have are damaging. I'd vote Lib Dem if I thought they had a better chance of winning than Labour. Personally I would probably be better off under the Tories in terms of take home pay, at least in the short term, but I believe that I would rather live in a fairer more prosperous country where work is properly rewarded and people pay their fair share.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 May 17 10.43am | |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
Our media is sick. Private Eye is much better than the Telegraph, Daily Mail, The Sun and the Evening Standard. Most of our papers are run by rich people to support the interests of rich people. They are con artists. The link is a bit of a rant but it raises a good point about the illusion of a free press. And then you have editors of certain papers with large circulations who went to Eton, aren't journalists and was a Tory chancellor who oversaw failed economic policy dressed up as success. I wonder what unbiased musings we will be seeing from that paper.
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Lyons550 Shirley 18 May 17 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
There are multi-nationals who don't care what the tax rate is as they manage to avoid paying it or agreeing sweetheart deals with the government. ..I think this is a key issue for me...whoever is in power. It's time for the corporations to pay their way...whether that's a cue to reduce Corp tax and meet them in the middle in order to do so clearly needs further discussion; but whatever it is has to be paid in FULL
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 May 17 11.24am | |
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Tory Jesus.
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Stirlingsays 18 May 17 12.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
This is one of my points, the tories seem as chaotic as labour to me. They've also over the past however long made many miscalculations in interviews and got the figures completely wrong but no one seems to pick up on it. Whether you believe in media bias or not I think it's a fact that the tories never face nearly the same scrutiny on economic policies as labour and people generally just assume that with the economy they always have it under control. Taking a look at the national debt, id suggest the opposite has occurred. Truthfully? You honestly regard the Tories as just as much as a mess as Labour...Wow...I think you have a case of rose tinted there. Na, when it comes to talent Labour just aren't doing well....the days of Robin Cook are long gone....their quota system ensures that there is less room for talent over whether your gender fits.
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Stirlingsays 18 May 17 12.13pm | |
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Man, that was funny.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 18 May 17 12.18pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The Centre for Policy Studies is a Conservative mouthpiece whose aims include the rolling back of the state. So they are hardly partisan. Digby Jones is a Baron who represents big business and has significant vested interests. I'm not "so Labour". I'm perfectly willing to debate and I look forward to looking at the merits of the Conservative manifesto. I don't agree with everything in the manifesto, but I'm convinced that the Tories have done a bad job on the economy and that austerity and cuts to public spending at times when the economy is depressed is damaging. I'm also convinced that they are liars and that they have used austerity ideologically while claiming it was the medicine we all needed. I also firmly believe that the levels of inequality we have are damaging. I'd vote Lib Dem if I thought they had a better chance of winning than Labour. Personally I would probably be better off under the Tories in terms of take home pay, at least in the short term, but I believe that I would rather live in a fairer more prosperous country where work is properly rewarded and people pay their fair share. Excellent. Do you have an address for them so that I can send a donation?
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Kermit8 Hevon 18 May 17 12.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Truthfully? You honestly regard the Tories as just as much as a mess as Labour...Wow...I think you have a case of rose tinted there. Na, when it comes to talent Labour just aren't doing well....the days of Robin Cook are long gone....their quota system ensures that there is less room for talent over whether your gender fits. Are you saying he wasn't a ginger, scottish midget?
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 18 May 17 12.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Na, when it comes to talent Labour just aren't doing well....the days of Robin Cook are long gone....their quota system ensures that there is less room for talent over whether your gender fits. I think anyone can see that Labour are in a bigger mess. But there is undeniably less scrutiny of the Tory mess. Gove on LBC sounded as bad as Dianne Abbott but it has barely been mentioned. Jeremy Hunt had a poor interview - it's largely not remarked on. Sky News have made a complaint today that the Tories are restricting them access as a broadcaster because Bunter made them look a bit stupid by reading out a message on air. Basically the Tories don't like to be questioned. Don't believe there should be proper checks and balances. And because Labour are giving the press other material, no one is sufficiently bothered.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 May 17 12.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Just watch Jeremy Hunt on the BBC. Awful interview not in the Diane Abbott mouldy but pretty shocking none the less. It was rather obvious that the Tory manifesto isn't costed, and the two policies mentioned, do not sound like vote winners. 1 Means testing winter payments will cost more than the money saved. This was the argument used by the Tories to remove 50% in their last manifesto. 2 Ring-fencing someone's last 100k isn't going to go far or save people from losing their houses or similar.
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Stirlingsays 18 May 17 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Are you saying he wasn't a ginger, scottish midget?
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steeleye20 Croydon 18 May 17 12.59pm | |
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I think there is a battle going on between the Hammond and May camps. The chancellor is in the impossible position of finding money for Mrs May's recklessness and previously failed to protect his budget so now he is putting up some resistance. Should have resigned over that he would be in a far better position now and not have to do an impossible job or put up with her. The ideal revenge would be to resign on election day having carefully arranged for awful economy news to be released at the same time.
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