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Teddy Eagle 20 Feb 23 10.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It is one of the EFTA countries. It ‘felt the need’ to be inside the fly sheet if not the tent. It benefits from centuries of preparation and an unique geography. Norway is another. It benefited hugely from North Sea non-renewables and invested that wisely so for now can function a little differently. On the other hand it is the uk that wears a urinary drainage bag and, latterly, a colostomy bag too. Still doesn't explain why they wouldn't be better off in the EU like everyone else.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Feb 23 10.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They already have a special relationship which gives them all they want. With their unique status, which is not something I find particularly comfortable, I can understand why they don't want any more. And the Swiss value their democracy and don't want to compromise it.
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Mapletree Croydon 20 Feb 23 11.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Still doesn't explain why they wouldn't be better off in the EU like everyone else. Like I said. It created an unique position for itself and has particular lines of trade embedded over centuries. It is a trusted broker. Perhaps you can see why the UK, or at least England, could never aspire to that status.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Feb 23 11.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Like I said. It created an unique position for itself and has particular lines of trade embedded over centuries. It is a trusted broker. Perhaps you can see why the UK, or at least England, could never aspire to that status. Yes but Switzerland is largely run on referenda and the voters didn't and don't want to join the EU. They're not all bankers and brokers.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Feb 23 12.13am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yes but Switzerland is largely run on referenda and the voters didn't and don't want to join the EU. They're not all bankers and brokers. the so-called 'grooming gangs' would never have happened in Switzerland....not on that industrial scale
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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Feb 23 8.12am | |
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This argument is going nowhere as usual
If you believe that democracy is about electing people who then appoint others to make decisions then I guess you would be pro EU.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Feb 23 8.35am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
This argument is going nowhere as usual
If you believe that democracy is about electing people who then appoint others to make decisions then I guess you would be pro EU. and if you believe that there are no real choices on the Electoral Polling card ? 1970s Soviet Union or Current day Ireland ? The entire establishment was against Brexit....the media, very many tory politicians (including the then PM), every other Elite....and then Joe Public gave them a surprise The absence of democracy and real public accountability in the EU will be the end of the whole failed experiment. The finances of the EU are somewhere between a sick running-joke and a WarCrime Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Feb 2023 9.12am)
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georgenorman 21 Feb 23 9.08am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Although you refuse to see why, the EU is run democratically. Just not a style of democracy you approve of. The key point to remember is the principal of subsidiarity. EU member countries only delegate, via the treaties, specific areas of responsibility that are more efficiently done together. Members continue to retain full control over all the most important issues, including finance, budgets, taxation, foreign policy etc. What those who are strongly opposed to the EU fail to understand is that the UK is a member of several organisations to whom we delegate responsibilities, like Nato, the WHO, the UN and even the WTO. So why get so irate about the EU? Of course, it's close to home and gets involved in things that touch people more directly, but is it really so different? Members agree to delegate. No-one dictates anything. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Feb 2023 10.54pm) Dictionaries give a definition of democracy in a similar way along these lines: "a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
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georgenorman 21 Feb 23 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It is one of the EFTA countries. It ‘felt the need’ to be inside the fly sheet if not the tent. It benefits from centuries of preparation and an unique geography. Norway is another. It benefited hugely from North Sea non-renewables and invested that wisely so for now can function a little differently. On the other hand it is the uk that wears a urinary drainage bag and, latterly, a colostomy bag too. Yet thousands of people pay large sums of money and risk their lives in dingies to get to this country. You would think people would be fleeing to the EU if the UK is as you say it is.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 23 9.30am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And the Swiss value their democracy and don't want to compromise it. I doubt whether that's really true. I suspect the real reason is they like the wealth that their status provides and the lifestyle that arrives with it. That status has little to do with a particular type of democracy and more to do with a reputation as a safe haven for wealth.
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Teddy Eagle 21 Feb 23 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I doubt whether that's really true. I suspect the real reason is they like the wealth that their status provides and the lifestyle that arrives with it. That status has little to do with a particular type of democracy and more to do with a reputation as a safe haven for wealth. Switzerland is a direct democracy and its citizens want to keep that system.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 23 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Dictionaries give a definition of democracy in a similar way along these lines: "a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system." That is exactly what we have now and also had when in the EU. We elect representatives. They form governments. Governments decide, on our behalf, to take actions. Actions that include signing treaties and delegating some responsibilities. The ultimate power always rests with us. Brexit proved that. You are fixated on the role of MEPs and the European Parliament but fail to recognise these do not, and were never intended to, provide the kind of direct representation found in national parliaments. The role of a MEP is different. They oversee the legislative process. They ensure each country's national interests are raised in debates. They liaise with both the Commission and Ministries at home to try to iron out potential difficulties.
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