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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 May 19 8.28am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Leaving aside the fact that Farage didn't actually say that isn't this what "taking back control" is all about. It's all well and good a British politician making suggestions about how best to run one of our institutions but it's quite another when it's unelected pissheads in Europe telling us what we should be doing in our country

Exactly.

I am not sure the people want a privatised NHS but that is for British politicians to make that argument and the public will then decide. Just the same as post Brexit Corbyn will no doubt put forward his view of a socialist paradise.

Update:

I suspect that some on the left love the EU because it has a built in socialist majority so will "protect" their interests against a conservative government. In other words if the left can't have their way in a general election they will get it through the EU back door. Ironically Corbyn hates the EU because he feels it's a a corporate club preventing him from implementing socialist policies if he ever got in.

You pay your money....

Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2019 8.34am)

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 08 May 19 8.45am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly.

I am not sure the people want a privatised NHS but that is for British politicians to make that argument and the public will then decide. Just the same as post Brexit Corbyn will no doubt put forward his view of a socialist paradise.

Update:

I suspect that some on the left love the EU because it has a built in socialist majority so will "protect" their interests against a conservative government. In other words if the left can't have their way in a general election they will get it through the EU back door. Ironically Corbyn hates the EU because he feels it's a a corporate club preventing him from implementing socialist policies if he ever got in.

You pay your money....

Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2019 8.34am)

At a Federal level maybe, but right wing parties are growing across Europe.

 

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jeeagles Flag 08 May 19 9.05am

Originally posted by chris123

At a Federal level maybe, but right wing parties are growing across Europe.

I'm not sure the extreme EU supporters really get what is does on a day to day basis that supports people. There's a lot of properganda thrown out by the EU in terms of it protecting our freedoms, but due to the lack of clarity on what it's remit is it ends up constantly interfering in domestic policies it shouldn't get involved with and implementing costly trivial regulations.

The EU should not dictate how the NHS should be run. I hate the NHS and I'm all for privatisation, but choosing how it should be run is a choice for UK politicians.

Bringing up old news, but why was an organisation with 700 MEPs ever debating and regulating what size shape bananas should be across the continent? Surely someone must have seen this was a pointless intervention.

The desire to constant seek to expand into dodgy states like Turkey and Serbia when it's members are already expressing discontent over its current size just seems ludicrous.

And the idea that it's a liberal organisation is just wrong. League and AfD MEPs are far worse than UKIP, and mainland Europe's track record on facism isnt great.

The EU have to get it's house in order to have any chance of the UK remaining.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 08 May 19 9.16am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I'm not sure the extreme EU supporters really get what is does on a day to day basis that supports people. There's a lot of properganda thrown out by the EU in terms of it protecting our freedoms, but due to the lack of clarity on what it's remit is it ends up constantly interfering in domestic policies it shouldn't get involved with and implementing costly trivial regulations.

The EU should not dictate how the NHS should be run. I hate the NHS and I'm all for privatisation, but choosing how it should be run is a choice for UK politicians.

Bringing up old news, but why was an organisation with 700 MEPs ever debating and regulating what size shape bananas should be across the continent? Surely someone must have seen this was a pointless intervention.

The desire to constant seek to expand into dodgy states like Turkey and Serbia when it's members are already expressing discontent over its current size just seems ludicrous.

And the idea that it's a liberal organisation is just wrong. League and AfD MEPs are far worse than UKIP, and mainland Europe's track record on facism isnt great.

The EU have to get it's house in order to have any chance of the UK remaining.

The AfD are the main opposition in the Bundestag, so get to chair key committees - the budgetary committee being one.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 08 May 19 9.21am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Leaving aside the fact that Farage didn't actually say that isn't this what "taking back control" is all about. It's all well and good a British politician making suggestions about how best to run one of our institutions but it's quite another when it's unelected pissheads in Europe telling us what we should be doing in our country

Nigel Farage
Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage also has a record of backing NHS privatisation.

"I think we're going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently, " he said in 2012.

"I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare."

He went on: "Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us."

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 08 May 19 9.24am

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

I post stuff about Brexit without being biased unlike yourself.

Ps I never said I dislike the EU, I believe in democracy that's why I back Farage.

If you post propaganda from leave.eu that's bias, sorry to point out the obvious

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Nigel Farage
Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage also has a record of backing NHS privatisation.

"I think we're going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently, " he said in 2012.

"I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare."

He went on: "Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us."

So?

The NHS is in meltdown. It needs fixing somehow or else it will be useless. The standard of care in some areas has already dropped to below acceptable levels and the range of services that it provides has become too wide.

 

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W12 08 May 19 9.43am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Nigel Farage
Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage also has a record of backing NHS privatisation.

"I think we're going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently, " he said in 2012.

"I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare."

He went on: "Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us."

I would agree, what makes you think we should pay for other able bodied people to get healthcare for free?

Have you seen our national debt btw?

Edited by W12 (08 May 2019 9.44am)

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 May 19 9.43am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So?

The NHS is in meltdown. It needs fixing somehow or else it will be useless. The standard of care in some areas has already dropped to below acceptable levels and the range of services that it provides has become too wide.

I don't understand why people are so against private healthcare. Most of the socialist countries in Western Europe have a mix of private and public and it doesn't seem to bother them.

Perhaps Pussay could enlighten us on the Dutch system I have Dutch friends who say it is good?

 


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W12 08 May 19 9.45am

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't understand why people are so against private healthcare. Most of the socialist countries in Western Europe have a mix of private and public and it doesn't seem to bother them.

Perhaps Pussay could enlighten us on the Dutch system I have Dutch friends who say it is good?

Because the NHS is the holy cow of the left. It's untouchable and they don't want to think about it.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 08 May 19 9.51am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So?

The NHS is in meltdown. It needs fixing somehow or else it will be useless. The standard of care in some areas has already dropped to below acceptable levels and the range of services that it provides has become too wide.

I wasn't trying to have a debate about the NHS, I was just highlighting the stupidity of some contributors who contradict their own points

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 08 May 19 9.55am

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't understand why people are so against private healthcare. Most of the socialist countries in Western Europe have a mix of private and public and it doesn't seem to bother them.

Perhaps Pussay could enlighten us on the Dutch system I have Dutch friends who say it is good?

But someone on your side of the argument is saying we must leave the EU to save the NHS. You're either not singing from the same hymnsheet or that was complete crap

 


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