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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Aug 23 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is a world of difference between the way a responsible broadcaster, or newspaper, approaches editing and the way a conspiracy theorist making videos does.

The MSM will check for accuracy and legality. Those with particular political stances will spin the story in the writing. Those without won’t. It’s the latter which I regard as truthful and trustworthy.

Video makers cut and splice. They omit sections and answers that don’t suit their narrative. The only way to determine what was actually said is to watch the whole and not selected portions. You could choose a selection of words from most posts on this board and reassemble them to tell a different story.

Rand Paul is not highly respected and nor was his father. He has a history of vaccine opposition and has provided support for some of the most scurrilous any-vax profiteers.

He asks loaded questions in the video and demands yes or no answers to questions which cannot be answered in such terms. There’s always more complexity than that. It was just showboating to a particular audience.

This was no better, or possibly even worse, than a Brand or Campbell video in the way it attempts to distort, discredit and spread misinformation.

One possible answer here is that you're wrong and everyone else is right. You could of course prove your credentials as an army of one by disagreeing but that would rather prove the point.

 

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eaglesdare Flag 28 Aug 23 3.51pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

As usual if you don't agree with someone's certain views or opinions you are automatically a conspiracy theorist.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Aug 23 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

As usual if you don't agree with someone's certain views or opinions you are automatically a conspiracy theorist.


Careful ED you know we agreed at the last meeting to never mention the Conxxxxxy word. And it was a worldwide decision as well. Donald was against but he was convinced by the end.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Aug 23 4.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Just like MSM

He's probably mentally ill, probably prior convicted.....but definitely a troll....just here for negative attention seeking.....a lot of deliberate projection designed for reaction.

Spends years pushing the Russiagate conspiracy theory...that came to nothing....which he was told would be the case for years....and then spends his time talking about other people being conspiracy theorists.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Aug 2023 4.36pm)

 


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eaglesdare Flag 28 Aug 23 5.29pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Mask study published by NIH suggests N95 Covid masks may expose wearers to dangerous level of toxic compounds linked to seizures and cancer

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MSM reporting it must be true so

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 23 10.23pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

One possible answer here is that you're wrong and everyone else is right. You could of course prove your credentials as an army of one by disagreeing but that would rather prove the point.

With due respect that’s a really silly idea. The fact that I may be alone here says much more about those who populate this section of this forum than it does about my views.

Out in the real world my views are perfectly normal and would, I firmly believe, be the majority. It’s here that is the outlier. Not me. I just carry the flag for the absent, and therefore silent, majority.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 23 10.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

As usual if you don't agree with someone's certain views or opinions you are automatically a conspiracy theorist.

Untrue. It’s perfectly possible to hold well founded alternative views.

Don’t though see too many from you.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Aug 23 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Let's not forget what was said and done to people....the manipulation, the coercion, the bullying and the loss of jobs and wanton destruction of incomes. All because some people wanted to make their own health decisions and not theirs.

The west I grew up in was freer, less scared and less fecked up and would never have done this.

Low lives and because they hold the power none of them will be held accountable for what they did.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 23 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

We know what the impact on the NHS now is record backlogs. As do those who are going to die having missed treatment.
Your instinct tells you one thing and everything else is disingenuous nonsense. Well, guess what?

No guessing needed. The facts speak for themselves.

The pandemic has caused significant damage to an already strained NHS, with lengthy waiting lists and missed diagnoses. No debate about that is required.

What’s disputed is the conflation of that fact with the lockdowns. The one does not follow the other. Lockdowns were part of the effort to mitigate the impact on the NHS. It was never expected to avoid it and there is not a shred of evidence to support the idea that not to have had lockdowns would have produced a better result. It is a disingenuous assertion. We probably should have locked down earlier and harder so we could have then eased off sooner.

For sure there will continue to be deaths related to the consequences of the pandemic. It’s inevitable. It was always a very difficult judgement call to decide the least bad response, all of which were terrible. Knowing how terrible the results of the one we decided makes it easy to criticise. Not knowing how another might have fared doesn’t mean it gets a free pass. It just means we don’t know, although some seem to think they do, but they always think they know better on subjects they know little about.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 23 10.50pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Just like MSM

Like some parts of the privately owned MSM. Like that owned by Murdoch.

Not that which is publicly owned like the BBC. Their mission is to tell the truth as best it can be determined.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Aug 23 10.52pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No guessing needed. The facts speak for themselves.

The pandemic has caused significant damage to an already strained NHS, with lengthy waiting lists and missed diagnoses. No debate about that is required.

What’s disputed is the conflation of that fact with the lockdowns. The one does not follow the other. Lockdowns were part of the effort to mitigate the impact on the NHS. It was never expected to avoid it and there is not a shred of evidence to support the idea that not to have had lockdowns would have produced a better result. It is a disingenuous assertion. We probably should have locked down earlier and harder so we could have then eased off sooner.

For sure there will continue to be deaths related to the consequences of the pandemic. It’s inevitable. It was always a very difficult judgement call to decide the least bad response, all of which were terrible. Knowing how terrible the results of the one we decided makes it easy to criticise. Not knowing how another might have fared doesn’t mean it gets a free pass. It just means we don’t know, although some seem to think they do, but they always think they know better on subjects they know little about.

How can the current backlog not be attributed to the country being told not to make medical appointments throughout lockdown?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Aug 23 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

With due respect that’s a really silly idea. The fact that I may be alone here says much more about those who populate this section of this forum than it does about my views.

Out in the real world my views are perfectly normal and would, I firmly believe, be the majority. It’s here that is the outlier. Not me. I just carry the flag for the absent, and therefore silent, majority.

At least no one can say you didn't give the idea due consideration before deciding you were right again. I haven't spoken to a single person since lockdown ended who thought they were a good idea and didn't lead to financial and personal problems. In my experience the silent majority is remarkably silent. And absent.

 

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