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Spiderman Horsham 20 Feb 23 5.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not the important question. It's just the one that the xenophobes want it to be about. The important question is which system delivers the best outcomes. A Parliament of the type you seem to want could not deliver what you want. It's hard enough for national Parliaments to function effectively. Trying to do it for 27 countries would be impossible and get no-where at all. It would just end up in a mess. Delegating powers to an executive and then scrutinising their work delivers progress and that's, ultimately what matters. The bottom line is always that Article 50 exists, so national Parliaments always hold the final say. Only the British have so far been stupid enough to use it. How did any country cope before the common Market/EEC/EEA/EU? Obviously not very well
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Teddy Eagle 20 Feb 23 6.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
How did any country cope before the common Market/EEC/EEA/EU? Obviously not very well Look at Switzerland. Completely pot less.
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georgenorman 20 Feb 23 6.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not the important question. It's just the one that the xenophobes want it to be about. The important question is which system delivers the best outcomes. A Parliament of the type you seem to want could not deliver what you want. It's hard enough for national Parliaments to function effectively. Trying to do it for 27 countries would be impossible and get no-where at all. It would just end up in a mess. Delegating powers to an executive and then scrutinising their work delivers progress and that's, ultimately what matters. The bottom line is always that Article 50 exists, so national Parliaments always hold the final say. Only the British have so far been stupid enough to use it. I see, so we don't need any of that democracy nonsense, you just need some sort of dictatorship to tell us what to do and run things. Edited by georgenorman (20 Feb 2023 6.43pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Feb 23 9.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
How did any country cope before the common Market/EEC/EEA/EU? Obviously not very well They were doing OK, but most, I think, believe they are doing better now. Which makes perfect sense. All things evolve and when better ways are found they become the norm. The EU is not the only example of countries coming together to do things more efficiently. It's a model that has been copied elsewhere.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Feb 23 9.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Look at Switzerland. Completely pot less. Why? Switzerland is, and has been for a very long time, a special case. There is absolutely nothing to compare with the UK.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Feb 23 9.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why? Switzerland is, and has been for a very long time, a special case. There is absolutely nothing to compare with the UK. So they wouldn't be even better off? Why not?
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steeleye20 Croydon 20 Feb 23 9.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So they wouldn't be even better off? Why not? The population is less than 9 millions for a start.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Feb 23 9.41pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The population is less than 9 millions for a start. So more than 14 countries who are members.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Feb 23 10.36pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I see, so we don't need any of that democracy nonsense, you just need some sort of dictatorship to tell us what to do and run things. Edited by georgenorman (20 Feb 2023 6.43pm) Although you refuse to see why, the EU is run democratically. Just not a style of democracy you approve of. The key point to remember is the principal of subsidiarity. EU member countries only delegate, via the treaties, specific areas of responsibility that are more efficiently done together. Members continue to retain full control over all the most important issues, including finance, budgets, taxation, foreign policy etc. What those who are strongly opposed to the EU fail to understand is that the UK is a member of several organisations to whom we delegate responsibilities, like Nato, the WHO, the UN and even the WTO. So why get so irate about the EU? Of course, it's close to home and gets involved in things that touch people more directly, but is it really so different? Members agree to delegate. No-one dictates anything. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Feb 2023 10.54pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 20 Feb 23 10.38pm | |
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Originally posted by CPFC1965
Not entirely sure what this argument is about but I thought we'd left. What they do is mute, we've got our own incompetents to deal with. Moot
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Mapletree Croydon 20 Feb 23 10.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Look at Switzerland. Completely pot less. It is one of the EFTA countries. It ‘felt the need’ to be inside the fly sheet if not the tent. It benefits from centuries of preparation and an unique geography. Norway is another. It benefited hugely from North Sea non-renewables and invested that wisely so for now can function a little differently. On the other hand it is the uk that wears a urinary drainage bag and, latterly, a colostomy bag too.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Feb 23 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So they wouldn't be even better off? Why not? They already have a special relationship which gives them all they want. With their unique status, which is not something I find particularly comfortable, I can understand why they don't want any more.
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