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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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  georgenorman  08 Apr 22 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I suggested a day or so ago, we must all brace ourselves for tax increases, which I think are inevitable. They will be hugely unpopular, but must be done. Just been to a pub for dinner, the first time in several weeks because of my bout of Covid, and the prices have risen a lot, up at least 25% since my last visit. I accept I will be hit hard, but do I wonder if others are prepared. Giving governments more tax is like giving whisky to an alcoholic.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 22 8.48pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Giving governments more tax is like giving whisky to an alcoholic. Does that mean that those who have been so badly impacted by the energy and food price increases would be ignored by you? Governments exist to manage economies, but we fund them.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Apr 22 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I suggested a day or so ago, we must all brace ourselves for tax increases, which I think are inevitable. They will be hugely unpopular, but must be done. Just been to a pub for dinner, the first time in several weeks because of my bout of Covid, and the prices have risen a lot, up at least 25% since my last visit. I accept I will be hit hard, but do I wonder if others are prepared. Very surprised at that. Sunak is driving the UK over a precipice, he is an economic dunce. We've already had a huge increase in taxes now he wants more, trying to cove his disastrous running of the economy. WE honestly.
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BlueJay  UK 08 Apr 22 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Giving governments more tax is like giving whisky to an alcoholic. And at least an alcoholic is grateful for another whisky Edited by BlueJay (08 Apr 2022 8.59pm)
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.. Sunak's infinitely more concerned about his wife's 'feels' than tax payers making ends meet.| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 22 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Very surprised at that. Sunak is driving the UK over a precipice, he is an economic dunce. We've already had a huge increase in taxes now he wants more, trying to cove his disastrous running of the economy. WE honestly. Blaming any individual, Chancellor or road sweeper, for the situation we face because of the events of the last 2 years, is daft. We could have avoided Brexit, but not Covid, or Putin's aggression, and it's impact on the price of energy and food. There are no magic money trees. We cannot just keep borrowing. Taxes will have to be raised, and the best way to do that, which avoids impacting the most vulnerable, is via income tax. Which conflicts with Sunak's most recent statement, so he may well not be Chancellor for much longer. There may well also have to be higher corporation taxes, and a wealth tax, but rise they must.
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| georgenorman 08 Apr 22 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Does that mean that those who have been so badly impacted by the energy and food price increases would be ignored by you? Governments exist to manage economies, but we fund them. They don't manage anything, they waste money hand over fist and most of their projects are financial disasters providing little or no benefit.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 22 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
They don't manage anything, they waste money hand over fist and most of their projects are financial disasters providing little or no benefit. Whether, or not, you think you could do it better doesn't change facts. Governments administer how we raise taxes and how we spend the money. That's not the issue. What I asked was whether you proposed to just ignore the plight of the severely affected and just blame the government for their plight?
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| BlueJay UK 08 Apr 22 10.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whether, or not, you think you could do it better doesn't change facts. Governments administer how we raise taxes and how we spend the money. That's not the issue. What I asked was whether you proposed to just ignore the plight of the severely affected and just blame the government for their plight? They do set policy, and have a large say in how our money is spent and so I certainly don't think we should let government off the hook. There's an element of 'you get the government you deserve' but still as representatives of the people they should represent. They seem very able to fill their own pockets, but less so hard working people.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 22 11.15pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
They do set policy, and have a large say in how our money is spent and so I certainly don't think we should let government off the hook. There's an element of 'you get the government you deserve' but still as representatives of the people they should represent. They seem very able to fill their own pockets, but less so hard working people. Bashing governments has been a popular sport for centuries and will likely never cease to be popular. Offering green grass after 5 years of being fed hay is why we get swings. It doesn't though address the issue. We face a crisis, which cannot be solved via even more borrowing. The only solution I see , unless we are prepared to see a section of society in genuine poverty, is to increase taxation. The only way to get people to accept that is for the parties all to be honest about it and not pretend it can be avoided via spurious promises of green grass next door.
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| BlueJay UK 08 Apr 22 11.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Bashing governments has been a popular sport for centuries and will likely never cease to be popular. Offering green grass after 5 years of being fed hay is why we get swings. It doesn't though address the issue. We face a crisis, which cannot be solved via even more borrowing. The only solution I see , unless we are prepared to see a section of society in genuine poverty, is to increase taxation. The only way to get people to accept that is for the parties all to be honest about it and not pretend it can be avoided via spurious promises of green grass next door. I'm certainly not saying that we should rule out increasing taxes, just that criticism of governments is fair, that they often put us into the situations we find ourselves in, and are unreliable in terms of how they use public funds, hand out contracts etc. That is as much a conundrum to be solved really, as whoever is in power there is always 'at least the other guy didn't get in!' as a distraction to their inept management of the country, public services, and so on. Many politicians are firmly in it for themselves, and decent more principles people who are less easy to sway or influence often don't rise to the heights of power because there is less in it for other people in those instances. Human nature is partly responsible for that no doubt, but still.. it would be nice to have a government who at least appear to be somewhat in it for the people. Family firm of Rishi Sunak's non-dom status wife won £50m in taxpayer-funded deals - [Link] We are a piggy bank to these people. Edited by BlueJay (09 Apr 2022 1.25am)
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| BlueJay UK 09 Apr 22 12.39am |
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The 'Ukranian provocation' stuff in relation to the train station bombing really is something else. In fact the totality of the Russian media position the whole time appears to be that Ukranians are shooting + bombing themselves and destroying their own cities while Russians come with aid, food, and offers of escape. But remember folks, don't listen to our biased western media, keep an open mind to those oh so valuable Russian sources. Kremlin hotline, baby! 'Special military operation' updates from a trusted source, neatly packaged for the allegiance-lite.
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| cryrst The garden of England 09 Apr 22 5.34am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
They don't manage anything, they waste money hand over fist and most of their projects are financial disasters providing little or no benefit. Governments don't spend it personally though.
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