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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Feb 15 8.02pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.46pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.43pm Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage? Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology. Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm) er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps? Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above. You have to try harder Michael. You're barking up the wrong tree hugger. My question was merely about the UKIP 15%. What is it they have in common that they don't have in common with the other 85%? Is it just about the EU? Why aren't the rest of the voting population as passionate as they are about it all? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage?

Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm)

er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps?

Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above.

You have to try harder Michael.

You're barking up the wrong tree hugger.

My question was merely about the UKIP 15%. What is it they have in common that they don't have in common with the other 85%? Is it just about the EU? Why aren't the rest of the voting population as passionate as they are about it all?

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matt_himself Matataland 14 Feb 15 8.19pm
Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 8.02pm Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.46pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.43pm Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage? Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology. Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm) er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps? Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above. You have to try harder Michael. You're barking up the wrong tree hugger. My question was merely about the UKIP 15%. What is it they have in common that they don't have in common with the other 85%? Is it just about the EU? Why aren't the rest of the voting population as passionate as they are about it all? I am not barking up the wrong tree. You are trying to make out that the 15% are inferior to the rest of the population. That they are bigoted, hate filled and fascist. Your sub text is apparent to all. And it is pathetic Michael. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage?

Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm)

er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps?

Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above.

You have to try harder Michael.

You're barking up the wrong tree hugger.

I am not barking up the wrong tree.

You are trying to make out that the 15% are inferior to the rest of the population. That they are bigoted, hate filled and fascist.

Your sub text is apparent to all. And it is pathetic Michael.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 15 10.23pm
Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 8.02pm You're barking up the wrong tree hugger. My question was merely about the UKIP 15%. What is it they have in common that they don't have in common with the other 85%? Is it just about the EU? Why aren't the rest of the voting population as passionate as they are about it all? Just because 85% previously haven't voted UKIP it doesn't mean that they are happy with the EU. The answer to that would be found in a referendum.....Something most of the left have been refusing to the public for fear of losing since the nineties. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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You're barking up the wrong tree hugger.

Just because 85% previously haven't voted UKIP it doesn't mean that they are happy with the EU.

The answer to that would be found in a referendum.....Something most of the left have been refusing to the public for fear of losing since the nineties.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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imbored UK 14 Feb 15 10.59pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 6.37pm Quote imbored at 14 Feb 2015 10.16am The UKIP argument is always put across as helping the working classes. Nothing to do with ethnicity and race and so on. The trouble is those with the loudest voices often can't seem to shut up about these other issues and putting their foot in it. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm) I'm working class....I think the major parties have figuratively stuck two fingers up to the working poor in this country...I'd think that whether I supported UKIP or not. I'm now a teacher and in effect I actually do something to help those who came from council estates like I did. What do you do? I don't care about a person's skin colour but I do care about living within a community that I feel at ease with.....That's more a cultural thing. As for loudness on thsse issues....Maybe you could turn that thought onto yourself. You keep calling others 'ideological stereotypes', but an 'ethnicity' and 'race' search - since you commented on my post history - reveals moaning about those living near you speaking foreign languages and acting "like they own the place", or when there's immigration into an area "those who can, get out" with apparently no thought that 'some' might not care either way. It does paint a picture of immigrants as rats, as undesirables by nature. It's not helpful to anyone to think like that. Talk of "big nosed Nigerians" not being a standard of beauty. I don't know if you realise this, but the majority of people do not talk this way. Hopping over to our other exchange you call some bloke in a dress an arsehole. I mean that's the full set isnt it, foreigners, blacks and genderbenders? What do any of these statements have to do with helping poor hard working people in the UK? Lots of poor working class people living in the UK and proud of this country fit the bill of these descriptions. You're surely as much a stereotype as the people you're pointing the finger at? It's truly 'disappointing' as you put it because you clearly and obviously do care. I can tell that's genuine. It's just that you seem to have very confused motivations. An anger that isn't fed by these people, but they receive the brunt of it nonetheless. Adapting is a strength. Being angry at the facts on the ground is futile. If your neighbour talks to his mates in Polish, that's what he does. You being angry about it is your problem, not his. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 11.03pm)
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The UKIP argument is always put across as helping the working classes. Nothing to do with ethnicity and race and so on. The trouble is those with the loudest voices often can't seem to shut up about these other issues and putting their foot in it.

Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm)

I'm working class....I think the major parties have figuratively stuck two fingers up to the working poor in this country...I'd think that whether I supported UKIP or not. I'm now a teacher and in effect I actually do something to help those who came from council estates like I did.

What do you do?

I don't care about a person's skin colour but I do care about living within a community that I feel at ease with.....That's more a cultural thing.
As for loudness on thsse issues....Maybe you could turn that thought onto yourself.

You keep calling others 'ideological stereotypes', but an 'ethnicity' and 'race' search - since you commented on my post history - reveals moaning about those living near you speaking foreign languages and acting "like they own the place", or when there's immigration into an area "those who can, get out" with apparently no thought that 'some' might not care either way. It does paint a picture of immigrants as rats, as undesirables by nature. It's not helpful to anyone to think like that. Talk of "big nosed Nigerians" not being a standard of beauty. I don't know if you realise this, but the majority of people do not talk this way.

Hopping over to our other exchange you call some bloke in a dress an arsehole. I mean that's the full set isnt it, foreigners, blacks and genderbenders? What do any of these statements have to do with helping poor hard working people in the UK? Lots of poor working class people living in the UK and proud of this country fit the bill of these descriptions. You're surely as much a stereotype as the people you're pointing the finger at? It's truly 'disappointing' as you put it because you clearly and obviously do care. I can tell that's genuine. It's just that you seem to have very confused motivations. An anger that isn't fed by these people, but they receive the brunt of it nonetheless. Adapting is a strength. Being angry at the facts on the ground is futile. If your neighbour talks to his mates in Polish, that's what he does. You being angry about it is your problem, not his.

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imbored UK 14 Feb 15 11.14pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.46pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.43pm Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage? Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology. Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm) er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps? Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above. You have to try harder Michael. The greens are too unpopular to have a big impact politically right now. UKIP are a one man, one issue party, though I admit the issue they represent is one that deserves a voice. In an ideal world we would have proportional representation, then everyones vote and voice would count. Nobody can argue with that. The current system is warped by design, making most votes other than those in marginal seats effectively totally pointless. A fact that surely frustrates millions - though not enough to change the voting system apparently. My only gripe with UKIP is that the vast number of people being kicked out of the party for being racist, sexist, homophobic and whatever in fact acts as a beacon for prejudice. It's become a serious problem within the party. As one high ranking member said, bigots need a voice too. I don't disagree, but it doesn't mean I have to smile in the face of it, or at the co-opting of a valid stance. That being getting out of the EU. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 11.30pm)
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Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.46pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.43pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm

I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage?

Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm)

er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps?

Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above.

You have to try harder Michael.

The greens are too unpopular to have a big impact politically right now. UKIP are a one man, one issue party, though I admit the issue they represent is one that deserves a voice. In an ideal world we would have proportional representation, then everyones vote and voice would count. Nobody can argue with that. The current system is warped by design, making most votes other than those in marginal seats effectively totally pointless. A fact that surely frustrates millions - though not enough to change the voting system apparently.

My only gripe with UKIP is that the vast number of people being kicked out of the party for being racist, sexist, homophobic and whatever in fact acts as a beacon for prejudice. It's become a serious problem within the party. As one high ranking member said, bigots need a voice too. I don't disagree, but it doesn't mean I have to smile in the face of it, or at the co-opting of a valid stance. That being getting out of the EU.

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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 15 11.43pm
Quote imbored at 14 Feb 2015 10.59pm Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 6.37pm Quote imbored at 14 Feb 2015 10.16am The UKIP argument is always put across as helping the working classes. Nothing to do with ethnicity and race and so on. The trouble is those with the loudest voices often can't seem to shut up about these other issues and putting their foot in it. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm) I'm working class....I think the major parties have figuratively stuck two fingers up to the working poor in this country...I'd think that whether I supported UKIP or not. I'm now a teacher and in effect I actually do something to help those who came from council estates like I did. What do you do? I don't care about a person's skin colour but I do care about living within a community that I feel at ease with.....That's more a cultural thing. As for loudness on thsse issues....Maybe you could turn that thought onto yourself. You keep calling others 'ideological stereotypes', but an 'ethnicity' and 'race' search - since you commented on my post history - reveals moaning about those living near you speaking foreign languages and acting "like they own the place", or when there's immigration into an area "those who can, get out" with apparently no thought that 'some' might not care either way. It does paint a picture of immigrants as rats, as undesirables by nature. It's not helpful to anyone to think like that. Talk of "big nosed Nigerians" not being a standard of beauty. I don't know if you realise this, but the majority of people do not talk this way. Hopping over to our other exchange you call some bloke in a dress an arsehole. I mean that's the full set isnt it, foreigners, blacks and genderbenders? What do any of these statements have to do with helping poor hard working people in the UK? Lots of poor working class people living in the UK and proud of this country fit the bill of these descriptions. You're surely as much a stereotype as the people you're pointing the finger at? It's truly 'disappointing' as you put it because you clearly and obviously do care. I can tell that's genuine. It's just that you seem to have very confused motivations. An anger that isn't fed by these people, but they receive the brunt of it nonetheless. Adapting is a strength. Being angry at the facts on the ground is futile. If your neighbour talks to his mates in Polish, that's what he does. You being angry about it is your problem, not his. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 11.03pm) Firstly, I have to say you searching my post background so that you can quote me out of context on several different areas is both unethical and ridiculous. I certainly haven't done it with you....I only referred to your posts over the last couple of days.....You sir are something else. Secondary...As you seek to type rubbish about my opinions I think it only right to correct you on them. I don't view any humans as rats.....Again, these is your unethical misrepresentation of another person's viewpoint......Don't associate me with such a perception. I do object to too high an immigration flow into an area....As has happened to my area of Wisbech. There has been significant dissatisfaction with this in Wisbech and many areas and it's reflected in increased UKIP support. Of course there are locals who don't care less.....Just like there are groups of all opinions sets everywhere.....Another hapless comment. My opinion that big nosed people (the reference to Nigerians was meant to be comic) aren't rated as beautiful is at least true within a generalised western context of beauty....You using this as example of anything serious is once again, unethical and a misrepresentation. There is nothing I have ever posted that has supported discriminating against a person for the colour of their skin. A person's skin pigmentation isn't important....Again, you are unethical. The guy making cheap publicity over a bridal dress is most certainly an arsehole for the reasons I stated.....That is independent of him being a cross-dresser. As for immigrants I stated many many times that these are poor people looking to better their lives.....You of course being the type of individual you are decide to select what 'soundbites' fit your prejudices about an individual and ignore the rest. As for the biggest insult to make to me.....Where you imply that my views on how the British working classes are treated in this country is some kind of false cover for, what you feel are, bigoted, racist views......Maybe you should search for my views on our social economic system and then perhaps you'd understand just how full of prejudice and assumptions you really are. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2015 11.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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What do you do?

Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 11.03pm)

Firstly, I have to say you searching my post background so that you can quote me out of context on several different areas is both unethical and ridiculous.

I certainly haven't done it with you....I only referred to your posts over the last couple of days.....You sir are something else.

Secondary...As you seek to type rubbish about my opinions I think it only right to correct you on them.

I don't view any humans as rats.....Again, these is your unethical misrepresentation of another person's viewpoint......Don't associate me with such a perception.

I do object to too high an immigration flow into an area....As has happened to my area of Wisbech.

There has been significant dissatisfaction with this in Wisbech and many areas and it's reflected in increased UKIP support.

Of course there are locals who don't care less.....Just like there are groups of all opinions sets everywhere.....Another hapless comment.

My opinion that big nosed people (the reference to Nigerians was meant to be comic) aren't rated as beautiful is at least true within a generalised western context of beauty....You using this as example of anything serious is once again, unethical and a misrepresentation.

There is nothing I have ever posted that has supported discriminating against a person for the colour of their skin. A person's skin pigmentation isn't important....Again, you are unethical.

The guy making cheap publicity over a bridal dress is most certainly an arsehole for the reasons I stated.....That is independent of him being a cross-dresser.

As for immigrants I stated many many times that these are poor people looking to better their lives.....You of course being the type of individual you are decide to select what 'soundbites' fit your prejudices about an individual and ignore the rest.

As for the biggest insult to make to me.....Where you imply that my views on how the British working classes are treated in this country is some kind of false cover for, what you feel are, bigoted, racist views......Maybe you should search for my views on our social economic system and then perhaps you'd understand just how full of prejudice and assumptions you really are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2015 11.48pm)

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imbored UK 14 Feb 15 11.53pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 11.43pm Quote imbored at 14 Feb 2015 10.59pm Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 6.37pm Quote imbored at 14 Feb 2015 10.16am The UKIP argument is always put across as helping the working classes. Nothing to do with ethnicity and race and so on. The trouble is those with the loudest voices often can't seem to shut up about these other issues and putting their foot in it. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm) I'm working class....I think the major parties have figuratively stuck two fingers up to the working poor in this country...I'd think that whether I supported UKIP or not. I'm now a teacher and in effect I actually do something to help those who came from council estates like I did. What do you do? I don't care about a person's skin colour but I do care about living within a community that I feel at ease with.....That's more a cultural thing. As for loudness on thsse issues....Maybe you could turn that thought onto yourself. You keep calling others 'ideological stereotypes', but an 'ethnicity' and 'race' search - since you commented on my post history - reveals moaning about those living near you speaking foreign languages and acting "like they own the place", or when there's immigration into an area "those who can, get out" with apparently no thought that 'some' might not care either way. It does paint a picture of immigrants as rats, as undesirables by nature. It's not helpful to anyone to think like that. Talk of "big nosed Nigerians" not being a standard of beauty. I don't know if you realise this, but the majority of people do not talk this way. Hopping over to our other exchange you call some bloke in a dress an arsehole. I mean that's the full set isnt it, foreigners, blacks and genderbenders? What do any of these statements have to do with helping poor hard working people in the UK? Lots of poor working class people living in the UK and proud of this country fit the bill of these descriptions. You're surely as much a stereotype as the people you're pointing the finger at? It's truly 'disappointing' as you put it because you clearly and obviously do care. I can tell that's genuine. It's just that you seem to have very confused motivations. An anger that isn't fed by these people, but they receive the brunt of it nonetheless. Adapting is a strength. Being angry at the facts on the ground is futile. If your neighbour talks to his mates in Polish, that's what he does. You being angry about it is your problem, not his. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 11.03pm) Firstly, I have to say you searching my post background so that you can quote me out of context on several different areas is both unethical and ridiculous. I certainly haven't done it with you....I only referred to your posts over the last couple of days.....You sir are something else. Secondary...As you seek to type rubbish about my opinions I think it only right to correct you on them. I don't view any humans as rats.....Again, these is your unethical misrepresentation of another person's viewpoint......Don't associate me with such a perception. I do object to too high an immigration flow into an area....As has happened to my area of Wisbech. There has been significant dissatisfaction with this in Wisbech and many areas and it's reflected in increased UKIP support. Of course there are locals who don't care less.....Just like there are groups of all opinions sets everywhere.....Another hapless comment. My opinion that big nosed people (the reference to Nigerians was meant to be comic) aren't rated as beautiful is at least true within a generalised western context of beauty....You using this as example of anything serious is once again, unethical and a misrepresentation. There is nothing I have ever posted that has supported discriminating against a person for the colour of their skin. A person's skin pigmentation isn't important....Again, you are unethical. The guy making cheap publicity over a bridal dress is most certainly an arsehole for the reasons I stated.....That is independent of him being a cross-dresser. As for immigrants I stated many many times that these are poor people looking to better their lives.....You of course being the type of individual you are decide to select what 'soundbites' fit your prejudices about an individual and ignore the rest. As for the biggest insult to make to me.....Where you imply that my views on how the British working classes are treated in this country......Maybe you should search for those views and then perhaps you'd understand just how full of prejudice and assumptions you really are. Post after post on the defense in this thread. Others are a 'stereotype' of an ideology to you. Full stop. No further comment needed because you've decided. When the table is turned you squirm, cry 'misrepresentation', 'unethical', 'prejudiced' and release what amounts to a statement. You're an unreliable witness to your words. I'll let others decide. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 11.55pm)
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