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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 20 11.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This is absolute drivel and the UN has been a sick joke in many regards for a long time. For example, on September 20, 2015 the UN elected Saudi Arabia as chair of a key UN Human Rights Council panel. The House of Saud run their country with hardly any serious regard to human rights....and that's coming from a social conservative like me. Indeed, they could compete with ISIS for beheading people. That shows you how much respect the UN deserve. The UN are only good for their networks and distributing aid.....that's about it. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2020 9.49pm) Whatever your personal opinion of the UN might be, or how other countries behave, we are members, we have signed up to abide by its conventions and we have a reputation to defend. That people like you, and Trump, might disrespect the UN seems to me to be a pretty strong argument for us not to. Your attitude has already been shot down in flames by other responses, so there is nothing more that needs to be said other than this is not the policy of the British government so you have to wonder who is behind the current disregard and whether Cummings probable removal will herald a change of direction. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 20 11.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is absolute drivel and the UN has been a sick joke in many regards for a long time.

For example, on September 20, 2015 the UN elected Saudi Arabia as chair of a key UN Human Rights Council panel.

The House of Saud run their country with hardly any serious regard to human rights....and that's coming from a social conservative like me. Indeed, they could compete with ISIS for beheading people.

That shows you how much respect the UN deserve.

The UN are only good for their networks and distributing aid.....that's about it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2020 9.49pm)

Whatever your personal opinion of the UN might be, or how other countries behave, we are members, we have signed up to abide by its conventions and we have a reputation to defend. That people like you, and Trump, might disrespect the UN seems to me to be a pretty strong argument for us not to.

Your attitude has already been shot down in flames by other responses, so there is nothing more that needs to be said other than this is not the policy of the British government so you have to wonder who is behind the current disregard and whether Cummings probable removal will herald a change of direction.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 12 Nov 20 11.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Whatever your personal opinion of the UN might be, or how other countries behave, we are members, we have signed up to abide by its conventions and we have a reputation to defend. That people like you, and Trump, might disrespect the UN seems to me to be a pretty strong argument for us not to. Your attitude has already been shot down in flames by other responses, so there is nothing more that needs to be said other than this is not the policy of the British government so you have to wonder who is behind the current disregard and whether Cummings probable removal will herald a change of direction. As pathetic a response as to be expected, delivered in your typical snail trail manner. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2020 11.57pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Nov 20 11.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As pathetic a response as to be expected, delivered in your typical snail trail manner.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2020 11.57pm)

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 13 Nov 20 1.18am
Has anyone got the address of this International Law court? Or who the appointed judges are on said panel of judges? If not then the matter of breaking an agreement made with a foreign state is a matter between two states. It has no relevence to the rest of the world. If the issue over the Irish border comes to a head, it will be the EU that instate a hard border, not the UK. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Has anyone got the address of this International Law court? Or who the appointed judges are on said panel of judges? If not then the matter of breaking an agreement made with a foreign state is a matter between two states. It has no relevence to the rest of the world. If the issue over the Irish border comes to a head, it will be the EU that instate a hard border, not the UK.

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Stirlingsays 13 Nov 20 2.13am
Originally posted by Mapletree When a stable practice develops among a sufficiently broad number of states, and when a large number of them view the practice as legally binding, it becomes recognized as a binding principle of international law. Ius Cogens norms are con- sidered the most fundamental principles of customary international law, from which derogation is not ever allowed. While no single authoritative list of such norms exist, some examples include prohibitions against aggressive war and crimes against humanity. [Link] It's a completely made up phrase, mostly by people who want the concept to exist. She's talking about an non existent and non enforceable concept.....waffle. I'll state again, there is no 'international law', there are only agreements between states. There is no continuing thread or commonality. The topic being referred to was the EU agreement that Johnson said he will break....This was described as 'international law'.....Well, these EU agreements have been broken in the past and nothing happens, other than waffle.....As stated, Germany have done it in the past over budgets, Greece was a s***eshow of breaking EU laws to join the EU and France have broken them as well. 'International law', bah. Moving over to the US, it has left several agreements over the last few years...It's done it before Trump as well...what happened? Nothing.....The war crimes stuff you refer to....countries aren't made to sign up...Didn't the US leave that convention as well? All in all you're just waffling after you over reached. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2020 2.18am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Nov 20 2.13am

Originally posted by Mapletree

When a stable practice develops among a sufficiently broad number of states, and when a large number of them view the practice as legally binding, it becomes recognized as a binding principle of international law. Ius Cogens norms are con- sidered the most fundamental principles of customary international law, from which derogation is not ever allowed. While no single authoritative list of such norms exist, some examples include prohibitions against aggressive war and crimes against humanity.

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It's a completely made up phrase, mostly by people who want the concept to exist.

She's talking about an non existent and non enforceable concept.....waffle.

I'll state again, there is no 'international law', there are only agreements between states. There is no continuing thread or commonality.

The topic being referred to was the EU agreement that Johnson said he will break....This was described as 'international law'.....Well, these EU agreements have been broken in the past and nothing happens, other than waffle.....As stated, Germany have done it in the past over budgets, Greece was a s***eshow of breaking EU laws to join the EU and France have broken them as well.

'International law', bah.

Moving over to the US, it has left several agreements over the last few years...It's done it before Trump as well...what happened? Nothing.....The war crimes stuff you refer to....countries aren't made to sign up...Didn't the US leave that convention as well?

All in all you're just waffling after you over reached.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2020 2.18am)

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Stirlingsays 13 Nov 20 2.19am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Has anyone got the address of this International Law court? Or who the appointed judges are on said panel of judges? If not then the matter of breaking an agreement made with a foreign state is a matter between two states. It has no relevence to the rest of the world. If the issue over the Irish border comes to a head, it will be the EU that instate a hard border, not the UK. Well said sir. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

13 Nov 20 2.19am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Well said sir.

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 20 7.55am
Originally posted by croydon proud Yes, why would you want to sell to 65 million when you could sell to nearly 400 million? Time will tell! The USA can have good relations with both they don't have to choose. We are still the 5th largest economy so US business will still want to do business with us as well as others. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Nov 20 7.55am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Yes, why would you want to sell to 65 million when you could sell to nearly 400 million? Time will tell!

The USA can have good relations with both they don't have to choose. We are still the 5th largest economy so US business will still want to do business with us as well as others.

One more point

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 20 8.03am
Originally posted by Mapletree I was on a conference with an international journalist based in the US yesterday. She was very clear that the UK is now of little interest to the US. The market is too small. So not a business woman then. Try telling any business man or woman who they can or can't sell to. Politicians and journalists may think this or that country is irrelevant but business people look for opportunities. Will you tell Amazon Google, Microsoft, Starbucks, McDonalds etc. to pack up and go home, nothing to see here? Part of the reason why the US will still see us as a good market is our shared values and we are an easy country to do business in. Many EU citizens prefer not to buy American goods free trade deal or not. Whilst some countries are very clever are making it hard for US companies to do business. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Nov 20 8.03am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I was on a conference with an international journalist based in the US yesterday. She was very clear that the UK is now of little interest to the US. The market is too small.

So not a business woman then.

Try telling any business man or woman who they can or can't sell to. Politicians and journalists may think this or that country is irrelevant but business people look for opportunities.

Will you tell Amazon Google, Microsoft, Starbucks, McDonalds etc. to pack up and go home, nothing to see here?

Part of the reason why the US will still see us as a good market is our shared values and we are an easy country to do business in. Many EU citizens prefer not to buy American goods free trade deal or not. Whilst some countries are very clever are making it hard for US companies to do business.

One more point

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Nov 20 8.26am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's a completely made up phrase, mostly by people who want the concept to exist. She's talking about an non existent and non enforceable concept.....waffle. I'll state again, there is no 'international law', there are only agreements between states. There is no continuing thread or commonality. The topic being referred to was the EU agreement that Johnson said he will break....This was described as 'international law'.....Well, these EU agreements have been broken in the past and nothing happens, other than waffle.....As stated, Germany have done it in the past over budgets, Greece was a s***eshow of breaking EU laws to join the EU and France have broken them as well. 'International law', bah. Moving over to the US, it has left several agreements over the last few years...It's done it before Trump as well...what happened? Nothing.....The war crimes stuff you refer to....countries aren't made to sign up...Didn't the US leave that convention as well? All in all you're just waffling after you over reached. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2020 2.18am) Well, obviously I knew before I wrote that you know better than the #1 ranked Law course in the world. I just thought I would point out the Harvard view. The rest I already said. Jurisdiction is agreed when a bilateral or multilateral law is entered into. You can breach law of course. Then like anyone found in breach, the relevant Court will establish sanctions. It is extraordinarily rare for a country to do so as if you do it once you will probably do so again. Effectively you leave the club. The reason you joined that club is then lost to you. We never had one default after winning an international case, most of which were overseen by the ICC or other similar bodies [Link]
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Croydon 13 Nov 20 8.26am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a completely made up phrase, mostly by people who want the concept to exist.

She's talking about an non existent and non enforceable concept.....waffle.

I'll state again, there is no 'international law', there are only agreements between states. There is no continuing thread or commonality.

'International law', bah.

All in all you're just waffling after you over reached.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2020 2.18am)

Well, obviously I knew before I wrote that you know better than the #1 ranked Law course in the world. I just thought I would point out the Harvard view.

The rest I already said. Jurisdiction is agreed when a bilateral or multilateral law is entered into. You can breach law of course. Then like anyone found in breach, the relevant Court will establish sanctions.

It is extraordinarily rare for a country to do so as if you do it once you will probably do so again. Effectively you leave the club. The reason you joined that club is then lost to you.

We never had one default after winning an international case, most of which were overseen by the ICC or other similar bodies

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Nov 20 8.31am
Originally posted by Badger11 So not a business woman then. Try telling any business man or woman who they can or can't sell to. Politicians and journalists may think this or that country is irrelevant but business people look for opportunities. Will you tell Amazon Google, Microsoft, Starbucks, McDonalds etc. to pack up and go home, nothing to see here? Part of the reason why the US will still see us as a good market is our shared values and we are an easy country to do business in. Many EU citizens prefer not to buy American goods free trade deal or not. Whilst some countries are very clever are making it hard for US companies to do business. A triumph of optimism over reality It’s easy to do business with the EU. It has spent decades establishing the rules. The US perceives Ireland as its natural ally in Europe now. Makes sense given how many travelled there as a result of the potato famine. Have you seen its GDP per capita? To the US we are interesting but nothing special. It has plenty of bigger opportunities. Edited by Mapletree (13 Nov 2020 8.32am)
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Croydon 13 Nov 20 8.31am

Originally posted by Badger11

So not a business woman then.

Try telling any business man or woman who they can or can't sell to. Politicians and journalists may think this or that country is irrelevant but business people look for opportunities.

Will you tell Amazon Google, Microsoft, Starbucks, McDonalds etc. to pack up and go home, nothing to see here?

A triumph of optimism over reality

It’s easy to do business with the EU. It has spent decades establishing the rules.

The US perceives Ireland as its natural ally in Europe now. Makes sense given how many travelled there as a result of the potato famine. Have you seen its GDP per capita?

To the US we are interesting but nothing special. It has plenty of bigger opportunities.

Edited by Mapletree (13 Nov 2020 8.32am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 20 8.44am
Originally posted by Mapletree A triumph of optimism over reality It’s easy to do business with the EU. It has spent decades establishing the rules. The US perceives Ireland as its natural ally in Europe now. Makes sense given how many travelled there as a result of the potato famine. Have you seen its GDP per capita? To the US we are interesting but nothing special. It has plenty of bigger opportunities. Edited by Mapletree (13 Nov 2020 8.32am) Well even the BBC agrees with me much to my surprise. [Link] One more point
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Beckenham 13 Nov 20 8.44am

Originally posted by Mapletree

A triumph of optimism over reality

It’s easy to do business with the EU. It has spent decades establishing the rules.

The US perceives Ireland as its natural ally in Europe now. Makes sense given how many travelled there as a result of the potato famine. Have you seen its GDP per capita?

To the US we are interesting but nothing special. It has plenty of bigger opportunities.

Edited by Mapletree (13 Nov 2020 8.32am)

Well even the BBC agrees with me much to my surprise.

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jeeagles 13 Nov 20 8.47am
Originally posted by croydon proud On the trade deal, i hear trump wasn"t happy his pal boris ran to smokin joe to congratulate him on his victory, so doubt he will want to help boris with a get out of jail trade deal. on the americans wanting to sell to 65 million in the uk, i think they would rather sell to 400 million in the eu, smokin"s favoured friends! It's not about what Trump wants anymore, he's gone. Although he does have UK business interests which would override any rumour of a minor fall out. America already has a deal to sell to 400million people in the EU, that won't get cancelled when a deal is done with the UK. All a deal with the UK would do is piss off a few Irish people living near the boarder. Petty squabbles like this that cost America money were part of the reason Trump's America first policy was so successful. We've got the 7th strongest armed forces and 5th strongest economy, and 4th best intelligence agency in the world. But like I said, it could all be done and dusted by 1st January
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13 Nov 20 8.47am

Originally posted by croydon proud

On the trade deal, i hear trump wasn"t happy his pal boris ran to smokin joe to congratulate him on his victory, so doubt he will want to help boris with a get out of jail trade deal. on the americans wanting to sell to 65 million in the uk, i think they would rather sell to 400 million in the eu, smokin"s favoured friends!

It's not about what Trump wants anymore, he's gone. Although he does have UK business interests which would override any rumour of a minor fall out.

America already has a deal to sell to 400million people in the EU, that won't get cancelled when a deal is done with the UK. All a deal with the UK would do is piss off a few Irish people living near the boarder.

Petty squabbles like this that cost America money were part of the reason Trump's America first policy was so successful.

We've got the 7th strongest armed forces and 5th strongest economy, and 4th best intelligence agency in the world.

But like I said, it could all be done and dusted by 1st January

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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Nov 20 10.15am
The UK has no influence in Europe having left. The days of the USA regarding the UK as a bridge to Europe are gone. No Ronnie and Maggie, no special favours. JB will be most concerned over the Good Friday Accord and will be polite and friendly and firm. Will drop in sometime to visit HM perhaps.
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