Go on...

For balance, I suspect the "don't listen to experts" line is primarily because they have a history of having no more idea than the rest of us on this issue.

These are largely the same 'experts' who said we'd be dead in the water if we didn't join the Euro remember.

If this is a leave vote (and for the first time, I'm starting to believe it may be) it will be 100% down to the remain campaign, which has been fought on the grounds of:

* if you support leave you're a racist
* if you vote leave you're too stupid to understand the questions
* leave are peddling incorrect figures - here's Jeremy Corbyn with some of our own totally made up numbers about numbers of British pensioners in Europe
* here, have some patronising unsubstantiated remain 'facts' on social media
* did you know for every pound we give the EU, we get ten back (err...no we don't)
* every household will be £4,742.15 worse off if we leave (because we can see the future)

People don't like being talked down to and told what to think. And worse, being told that "if you don't agree with me that must mean you're clearly a racist"

At the beginning of the campaign, I was 90% sure I'd vote remain. If the remain campaign did not exist (or they just shut the f**k up), I'm pretty sure that would still be the case, as it stands I'm 70% sure I'm voting out - go figure!

With the don't listen to experts anti intellectualism comment.

All of my teaching colleagues and educational experts with years of experience were flabbergasted by Goves unwillingness to listen to people who know what they're talking about. He was claiming he knew better when pushing policy through. Schools are going downhill as a result of Goves 'i know better than the experts although I have no experience of state education ' attitude. Early years children are missing a crucial stage of child development - learning social skills, developing gross motor skills, basic problem solving and thinking development, understanding the importance of turn taking are the first things that spring to mind. These are learned through play - meaning that year one and two classes are full of kids who dont have these skills and aren't actually in a fit state to learn. Add to this the mental health issues that many children have through a testing regime that labels kids as failures as young as 4, and it's plain to see Gove made a big f*** up.

Whilst I appreciate that economic experts get things wrong because there are so many unforseen factors and permutations to take into consideration, ignoring them through anti intellectual I know best is facile.

I'm not claiming different, though they do, of course, have form in getting economic predictions (particularly of woe) hopelessly wrong. The good thing about predicting doom is that, if you turn out to be wrong, everyone's happy anyway. If you predict a rosy future and you're wrong, you're far more likely to be hung out to dry.

We've all had our relative expertise and advice ignored at some point I'm sure (sometimes correctly, sometimes wrongly). I had one yesterday - I was pulled in with 3 other "experts" over something of a disaster unfolding at work (looking for scapegoats). It turns out all 3 of us had independently warned of the possibility of this disaster and the need to remediate it, all had documentary proof (good old email), and warnings going back over a year. You could have toasted marshmallows on the warm smugness emanating from us all!

Oh, and edit: I don't think anyone in or outside of education would claim Gove is anything other than a c0ck!

Edited by npn (17 Jun 2016 10.10am)

Here's how the economic forecasts were done:

1. Create a forecast model for the current economy, with multiple variables.
2. Change one variable (ie Brexit and 3% tarriffs with the EU).
3. Keep all other variables the same.
4. Come up with fantasy figures.

If you have any understanding of statistical models you'll realise that there's a causality effect on the other variables. This hasn't been reflected in the forecasts. Nor has the fact we could trade more freely with the rest of the world. It doesn't take into account that the Eurozone is about to enter another sh*t storm way worse than before. It's not Greece that is fcked this time, it's France and Italy.

So the figure of 3 million jobs and families being worse off by £4,300 each pa is pure bunkum. It's a worst case scenario and assumes we wouldn't adjust as an economy at all. That's why Remain are saying it COULD cost us 3m jobs, it COULD cost us £xxx pa. It's all absolute horse sh*t.

My view is that staying in and being linked to the failing (and about to get much worse) Eurozone is far more risky than leaving and running our own affairs for our own interest.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

A bit simplistic, but a little truth I feel.

It would be nice to have a press that is more balanced a less propagandist.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2016 11.24am)

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