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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 15 8.54am
Quote pefwin at 10 Feb 2015 8.25pm Part of the male menopause, when certain men reach a "certain age", and realise that they won't make their childhood goals, they need to find someone to blame. In this case foreigners. Rubbish. The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype. UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone. The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives. But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Feb 15 8.54am

Quote pefwin at 10 Feb 2015 8.25pm

Part of the male menopause, when certain men reach a "certain age", and realise that they won't make their childhood goals, they need to find someone to blame.

In this case foreigners.

Rubbish.

The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype.

UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone.

The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives.

But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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imbored UK 14 Feb 15 10.16am
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 8.54am Quote pefwin at 10 Feb 2015 8.25pm Part of the male menopause, when certain men reach a "certain age", and realise that they won't make their childhood goals, they need to find someone to blame. In this case foreigners. Rubbish. The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype. UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone. The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives. But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe. The UKIP argument is always put across as helping the working classes. Nothing to do with ethnicity and race and so on. The trouble is those with the loudest voices often can't seem to shut up about these other issues and putting their foot in it. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 8.54am

Quote pefwin at 10 Feb 2015 8.25pm

Part of the male menopause, when certain men reach a "certain age", and realise that they won't make their childhood goals, they need to find someone to blame.

In this case foreigners.

Rubbish.

The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype.

UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone.

The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives.

But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe.

The UKIP argument is always put across as helping the working classes. Nothing to do with ethnicity and race and so on. The trouble is those with the loudest voices often can't seem to shut up about these other issues and putting their foot in it.

Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 14 Feb 15 3.22pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 8.54am Quote pefwin at 10 Feb 2015 8.25pm Part of the male menopause, when certain men reach a "certain age", and realise that they won't make their childhood goals, they need to find someone to blame. In this case foreigners. Rubbish. The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype. UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone. The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives. But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe. Of course there is always an element of self-denial. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 14 Feb 15 3.22pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 8.54am

Quote pefwin at 10 Feb 2015 8.25pm

Part of the male menopause, when certain men reach a "certain age", and realise that they won't make their childhood goals, they need to find someone to blame.

In this case foreigners.

Rubbish.

The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype.

UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone.

The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives.

But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe.

Of course there is always an element of self-denial.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 15 6.30pm
Quote pefwin at 14 Feb 2015 3.22pm Rubbish. The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype. UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone. The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives. But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe. Of course there is always an element of self-denial. ? Self denial? I think when you get a response like that the argument becomes more your problem not mine. I've said what I believe in...Which is pretty much the UKIP policy anyway. Rather than self denial....It seems that closer to the truth is that you just believe what you want to believe. Is there really a point in you debating on a forum? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Feb 15 6.30pm

Quote pefwin at 14 Feb 2015 3.22pm

Rubbish.

The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype.

UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone.

The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives.

But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe.

Of course there is always an element of self-denial.

Self denial?

I think when you get a response like that the argument becomes more your problem not mine. I've said what I believe in...Which is pretty much the UKIP policy anyway.

Rather than self denial....It seems that closer to the truth is that you just believe what you want to believe.

Is there really a point in you debating on a forum?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 14 Feb 15 6.37pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 6.30pm Quote pefwin at 14 Feb 2015 3.22pm Rubbish. The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype. UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone. The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives. But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe. Of course there is always an element of self-denial. ? Self denial? I think when you get a response like that the argument becomes more your problem not mine. I've said what I believe in...Which is pretty much the UKIP policy anyway. Rather than self denial....It seems that closer to the truth is that you just believe what you want to believe. Is there really a point in you debating on a forum? Did I forget a smilie? You're to wound up, chill. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 14 Feb 15 6.37pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Feb 2015 6.30pm

Quote pefwin at 14 Feb 2015 3.22pm

Rubbish.

The usual mischaracterisation of the argument.....apart from the sexist inaccurate stereotype.

UKIP won't stop immigration.....That's never been the argument. We don't support an open door immigration policy to the EU or anyone.

The joke is that people like you say that this means we 'blame foreigners'. No one blames poorer people looking to improve their lives.

But I blame UK politicians here for conveniently forgetting that they are elected by the working class here.....Not the working classes in Eastern Europe.

Of course there is always an element of self-denial.

Self denial?

I think when you get a response like that the argument becomes more your problem not mine. I've said what I believe in...Which is pretty much the UKIP policy anyway.

Rather than self denial....It seems that closer to the truth is that you just believe what you want to believe.

Is there really a point in you debating on a forum?

Did I forget a smilie?

You're to wound up, chill.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 15 6.37pm
Quote imbored at 14 Feb 2015 10.16am The UKIP argument is always put across as helping the working classes. Nothing to do with ethnicity and race and so on. The trouble is those with the loudest voices often can't seem to shut up about these other issues and putting their foot in it. Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm) I'm working class....I think the major parties have figuratively stuck two fingers up to the working poor in this country...I'd think that whether I supported UKIP or not. I'm now a teacher and in effect I actually do something to help those who came from council estates like I did. What do you do? I don't care about a person's skin colour but I do care about living within a community that I feel at ease with.....That's more a cultural thing. As for loudness on thsse issues....Maybe you could turn that thought onto yourself. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Feb 15 6.37pm

Quote imbored at 14 Feb 2015 10.16am

Edited by imbored (14 Feb 2015 4.28pm)

I'm working class....I think the major parties have figuratively stuck two fingers up to the working poor in this country...I'd think that whether I supported UKIP or not. I'm now a teacher and in effect I actually do something to help those who came from council estates like I did.

What do you do?

I don't care about a person's skin colour but I do care about living within a community that I feel at ease with.....That's more a cultural thing.
As for loudness on thsse issues....Maybe you could turn that thought onto yourself.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 15 7.35pm
Quote pefwin at 14 Feb 2015 6.37pm Did I forget a smilie? You're to wound up, chill. I'm not angry....I'm just disappointed. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Feb 15 7.35pm

Quote pefwin at 14 Feb 2015 6.37pm

Did I forget a smilie?

You're to wound up, chill.

I'm not angry....I'm just disappointed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Feb 15 7.38pm
I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Feb 15 7.38pm

I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage?

Big chest and massive boobs

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matt_himself Matataland 14 Feb 15 7.42pm
Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage? Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology. Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 14 Feb 15 7.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm

I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage?

Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Feb 15 7.43pm
Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage? Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology. Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm) er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Feb 15 7.43pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm

I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage?

Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm)

er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps?

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 14 Feb 15 7.44pm
That's a no brainer really. Well about 55/60% vote left anyway.....Of the 40/45 percentage left most of them vote Tory....not because they have a particular problem with UKIP but rather they fear a Labour government. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2015 7.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Feb 15 7.44pm

That's a no brainer really.

Well about 55/60% vote left anyway.....Of the 40/45 percentage left most of them vote Tory....not because they have a particular problem with UKIP but rather they fear a Labour government.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2015 7.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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matt_himself Matataland 14 Feb 15 7.46pm
Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.43pm Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage? Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology. Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm) er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps? Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above. You have to try harder Michael. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 14 Feb 15 7.46pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.43pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Feb 2015 7.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 14 Feb 2015 7.38pm

I suppose you gotta wonder why 85% of the population won't be voting UKIP if they have such a strong and resounding policy? What is it about the 15% that attracts them so to Nigel Fuhrage?

Why will only 4% of the electorate, not the population, vote for the Greens? If we are using your too simplistic and wind up intended methodology.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Feb 2015 7.42pm)

er..because only 4% can relate to them enough and trust them enough to vote for them. perhaps?

Then why ask the UKIP question unless it is intended as wind up because the answer to your question is the same as above.

You have to try harder Michael.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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