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Stirlingsays 27 Aug 23 11.42am | |
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Russell Brand and Dr John Campbell on Moderna, Myocarditis and mRNA and the developments around funding and the revolving door conflict of interest between government/regulators and companies affected by them.
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eaglesdare 27 Aug 23 4.36pm | |
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The below article is related to "fact checkers" which are discussed in this thread and could potentially be relevant to covid "fact checks" in the future.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Aug 23 7.29pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
The below article is related to "fact checkers" which are discussed in this thread and could potentially be relevant to covid "fact checks" in the future. Are you serious? A Murdoch owned organisation tries to create a storm in a teacup over the way fact checkers are regulated and funded! Well what a surprise that is. The fact checkers look at claims and verify them, assessing the likelihood of their accuracy. It’s up to us to decide who we trust. If anyone chooses to believe Murdoch rather than a fact checker that’s their decision and their right. Being foolish is not illegal. I would much prefer Facebook paying an arms length operation to check things than not have them checked.
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Teddy Eagle 27 Aug 23 8.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Are you serious? A Murdoch owned organisation tries to create a storm in a teacup over the way fact checkers are regulated and funded! Well what a surprise that is. The fact checkers look at claims and verify them, assessing the likelihood of their accuracy. It’s up to us to decide who we trust. If anyone chooses to believe Murdoch rather than a fact checker that’s their decision and their right. Being foolish is not illegal. I would much prefer Facebook paying an arms length operation to check things than not have them checked. Why should fact checkers display right wing bias more than left?
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eaglesdare 27 Aug 23 8.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Are you serious? A Murdoch owned organisation tries to create a storm in a teacup over the way fact checkers are regulated and funded! Well what a surprise that is. The fact checkers look at claims and verify them, assessing the likelihood of their accuracy. It’s up to us to decide who we trust. If anyone chooses to believe Murdoch rather than a fact checker that’s their decision and their right. Being foolish is not illegal. I would much prefer Facebook paying an arms length operation to check things than not have them checked. As always look where the money is comming from and what agenda do the people have who pay these fact checkers. Are they "fact checking" things they don't agree with and are they censoring information? I'm asking the question. If it can be done like in the link I posted it can certainly be done in relation to covid.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Aug 23 9.02pm | |
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Wonderful! Now we get two spreaders of conspiracy theories for the price of one. Russell Brand preaching his usual irrational self righteousness and John Campbell nodding away in agreement whilst reiterating the claims he trotted out recently about Moderna, the loaded questions put to its CEO and the appointment of Professor Van Dam. Both things that I have dealt with in a previous post so won’t repeat. They are though nonsensical. Then yet another attempt at trying to undermine confidence in the development of mNRA development in general by suggesting this wonderful new technology is somehow unsafe because it’s “untested”. Which is total nonsense, The technology is well understood and each specific product that is based on it will receive thorough testing. The idea that we could simply develop traditional vaccines to do the same job is particularly revealing of the motivations of these two charlatans. If we could, we would. That’s blindingly obvious. A vaccine that was effective against a corona virus didn’t exist before the emergence of mNRA technology. Technology that promises new treatments never before considered possible, especially for cancers, and almost certainly why the funding for the new production facilities has been provided. Rather than condemning progress it would be nice to see it recognised and praised once in a while. Nothing actually here on Myocarditis because YouTube won’t allow such obvious misinformation to be spread. You need to view that on an “alternative” platform. It is not though difficult to predict the kind of things that would be claimed. They have appeared here often enough. This is just more of the nauseating same accompanied by self congratulatory sycophancy. Anyone who cannot see through this needs to go to Specsavers.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Aug 23 9.10pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
As always look where the money is comming from and what agenda do the people have who pay these fact checkers. Are they "fact checking" things they don't agree with and are they censoring information? I'm asking the question. If it can be done like in the link I posted it can certainly be done in relation to covid. That’s for individuals to judge for themselves. I fail to see how a fact checker can censor when they are just checking facts. If anyone believes they only check things they disagree with, then the evidence doesn’t support that. They appear to check all controversial claims. However, if there is distrust then nothing stops anyone establishing an alternative platform to check matters they think are being ignored. The results of which can be judged by us in exactly the same way. I would much rather facts were verified than simply taken at face value.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Aug 23 9.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why should fact checkers display right wing bias more than left? Why indeed? The referenced article doesn’t really suggest it does. It suggests that whenever a human being is involved their unconscious attitudes automatically impact their judgement and that this can lead to the perception of bias and consequential distrust. It’s a good, thoughtful and well argued article which recognises the great value of fact checking and makes some sensible suggestions on how to improve the way things are done in order to ensure the maximum trust in the results. I hope they are acted on.
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Teddy Eagle 27 Aug 23 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why indeed? The referenced article doesn’t really suggest it does. It suggests that whenever a human being is involved their unconscious attitudes automatically impact their judgement and that this can lead to the perception of bias and consequential distrust. It’s a good, thoughtful and well argued article which recognises the great value of fact checking and makes some sensible suggestions on how to improve the way things are done in order to ensure the maximum trust in the results. I hope they are acted on. It also suggests fact checkers aren't the irrefutable providers of objectivity as they've been portrayed.
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georgenorman 27 Aug 23 10.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s for individuals to judge for themselves. I fail to see how a fact checker can censor when they are just checking facts. If anyone believes they only check things they disagree with, then the evidence doesn’t support that. They appear to check all controversial claims. However, if there is distrust then nothing stops anyone establishing an alternative platform to check matters they think are being ignored. The results of which can be judged by us in exactly the same way. I would much rather facts were verified than simply taken at face value. Most of these so called fact checkers are designed to make lies sound truthful and degeneracy respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
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Stirlingsays 27 Aug 23 10.22pm | |
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People should watch the Rand Paul congress clip posted pages ago and then compare it to the absolute rot written by some. The links Paul talks about are proven data from studies. This obsessional establishment cuckoldry of some is its own mental illness.
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eaglesdare 27 Aug 23 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s for individuals to judge for themselves. I fail to see how a fact checker can censor when they are just checking facts. If anyone believes they only check things they disagree with, then the evidence doesn’t support that. They appear to check all controversial claims. However, if there is distrust then nothing stops anyone establishing an alternative platform to check matters they think are being ignored. The results of which can be judged by us in exactly the same way. I would much rather facts were verified than simply taken at face value. That's a bit rich comming from you. What if an individual judges for themselves in a way you don't like? Are they then mis informed? Cancelled? Far right? Conspiracy theorist? Etc....
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