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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Apr 20 12.35am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
'Public Health England' estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. 'Public Health England' does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. Iain Dale, who’s a balanced person and former Tory MP, on LBC put a Covid 19 doubter straight. This caller thought we should’ve done nothing. Absolutely nothing at all and it’s all rubbish created by the media. Dale named where the government were getting the information on hundreds of thousands (500,00) that were going to die without any government intervention, lockdown, extra hospitals staff or ventilators. There really are some people out there that forget the methods introduced are why the deaths are low, yet they want to shout that the deaths are low so why bother doing any of it. People hey. The numbers of dead / total population in the US is currently under 1% at 0.5% I think. Without the measures taken its estimated the several millions of deaths would’ve been 4.5% of the total US population. That’s probably before any return or mutation of the virus which is what some of the same people saying there shouldn’t be any intervention now were saying a month ago. Our 500,000 would’ve been under 1% of the population. Just think, 4% of the U.K. population is 2.66 million. The country needs to get back to work and I expect it to happen when we’ve seen a symmetrical bell curve behind us. But I expect the vulnerable to stay in still, unless they choose to chance it and possibly more on, off lockdowns because of imported cases or whatever else.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Apr 20 1.09am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
They made that 'Big Short' film about the 2008 crash...though they left out the controversial bits. I wonder what will happen when they come to film this. I definitely think they could make something about the brave whistleblowers in China who suffered for their ethics. Big short is great entertainment, as is Margin Call, and at times, equal parts sobering and fascinating. However that’s all it is, entertainment, which although does a good job of layman’s terming (no pun intended) and providing context to your average Brian it’s still a bit of Hollywood fluff. Inside Job is an actual documentary on the subject and is almost as punchy due to being grounded in fact as another great documentary about the US prison system/war on drugs (highly recommended, created by David Simon, the wire) ‘The house I live in’.
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Stirlingsays 04 Apr 20 1.28am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Big short is great entertainment, as is Margin Call, and at times, equal parts sobering and fascinating. However that’s all it is, entertainment, which although does a good job of layman’s terming (no pun intended) and providing context to your average Brian it’s still a bit of Hollywood fluff. Inside Job is an actual documentary on the subject and is almost as punchy due to being grounded in fact as another great documentary about the US prison system/war on drugs (highly recommended, created by David Simon, the wire) ‘The house I live in’. Recommendations noted....We certainly all need somethings to watch. I watched 'The Invisible Man' last night.....started out as an interesting relationship abuse story and it was well directed but it became more feminist as it went along. I have to admit, I was rooting for the bloke by the end.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 Apr 20 6.02am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I heard some professional on a podcast say that the US are far more doing the 'herd immunity' route....I suspect that different states are reacting differently. Germany has a far larger private health care system than us though it's nothing like the US's. There's a lot of information that is being rationed on mainstream news. What happens over these coming months will inform all of us and we all want the same result....which is overall less suffering. I suppose we just have different ideas on how that happens....or rather could have happened. When they finally relax this lockdown I should think that your job book will be 'overflowing'....if you forgive the pun.
Ah good one but I'm not self employed. I'm paye and work for a maintenance firm. 7 guys are already fuloughed so down the line who knows. Im classed as a key worker due to working in health and residential properties. Not ideal for my mob but got to keep the wheels turning. Distance is not only practiced when sleeping with the enemy.
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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Apr 20 7.29am | |
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From Spain I suspect we will see similar incidents over hear. People already starting to go stir crazy. Yesterday I went for a walk around the back streets I noticed a lot of speeding cars (boy racers) I am wondering if the idiots are taking the opportunity of clearer roads to go for a drive?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Apr 20 7.38am | |
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On 9am on LBC they’re asking are we doing the right thing, following a Times article saying what Stirling is saying.
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DanH SW2 04 Apr 20 8.47am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
On 9am on LBC they’re asking are we doing the right thing, following a Times article saying what Stirling is saying. In an alternative universe we are doing what Stirling is saying and there are bodies piling up because we don’t have enough hospital beds and body bags. Edited by DanH (04 Apr 2020 8.48am)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Apr 20 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
In an alternative universe we are doing what Stirling is saying and there are bodies piling up because we don’t have enough hospital beds and body bags. Edited by DanH (04 Apr 2020 8.48am) Not often I agree with you. David Buik who’s a well respected chap from the city and often speaks in front of the 24 hour news cameras said at 8.30am this can’t go on forever but neither can you just do nothing and let this happen. Therefore we need to all follow the rules of this lockdown because otherwise the people flouting it are damaging the futures of young people. Obviously the irony will be lost on the parents and teenagers flouting it although there will be lots that have little future. Not your middle class teenagers. Those on the estates for various reasons. The one glimmer of light he said is that our banking system is in better shape than Europe’s. But we really are in for real trouble, make no mistake. About 14 consecutive months of falling unemployment in the US followed by one month of however many millions and I think 14% unemployment. The number of universal credit applications in Britain is also very alarming. But you will see tw@ts out in the summer tomorrow. The teenagers shopping and working in the supermarkets just brush past you without a thought. I just love the people who slate the government and say they should’ve had a lockdown in December and January. Yeah right. Go and lock yourself away regardless. Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Apr 2020 9.40am)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Apr 20 9.49am | |
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Some of the more sensible suggestions and something I considered myself recently is that the government should’ve been getting senior health people or just normal GP’s to give the warning on why to isolate. Plus relatives of victims. Also warning people the sooner the lockdown ends the better and sooner the recovery so less financial hardship. A bit of a difficult one to communicate to some that one on w few levels. People don’t listen to politicians in Britain.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 04 Apr 20 10.22am | |
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Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll
You've massively whooshed yourself there, surely. The rule of thumb is this: if unsure but suspect it might be a joke, it's probably a joke. It's not a foolproof system but generally holds up and helpfully can prevent observers otherwise giving themselves a hernia straining to be cooler or smarter than the average bore. (That's excessively harsh, by the way - WAY over the top - and not at all deserved nor meant - I just got carried away being disproportionately pleased with myself over "average bore".) The alternative is every single written submission has to be littered with emojis or exclamation marks lest people are unable to discern any sort of context. And then we are all become 14 year old girls. More so. I offer you...
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Stirlingsays 04 Apr 20 11.29am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Some of the more sensible suggestions and something I considered myself recently is that the government should’ve been getting senior health people or just normal GP’s to give the warning on why to isolate. Plus relatives of victims. Also warning people the sooner the lockdown ends the better and sooner the recovery so less financial hardship. A bit of a difficult one to communicate to some that one on w few levels. People don’t listen to politicians in Britain. I think after reading your last few posts our positions are nowhere near as close on this as I'd erroneously thought. That's fine, I guess over time we are going to see the wisdom or not of what's happened.
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 04 Apr 20 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Tux regularly foams about MMT and as you say for some of us it's only something we know on a surface level. However, what it seems like to me is the government paying the wealthy via invented currency to keep invested in the country.....as the whole she-bang appears to be based on confidence. I'm reluctant to look into it all as it all appears a bit like a giant con job. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2020 1.40pm) Think you're being a bit too dismissive of it Stirling. Actually, I think we've got to hope that they're right as if we've all got to "pay for it" through taxation afterwards, with the huge numbers that will be unemployed, this country and most of the developed world will be bankrupt (not notionally, as now, but actually as in defaulting on National Debt). If austerity is re-imposed there'll be massive social unrest. The seeds of discontent are already well and truly sown across the UK and Europe, young versus old, haves versus have nots, wealthy versus not so wealthy, and were evident throughout Brexit, the French riots, Hong Kong (for another reason), Italy and Germany too to some extent. With the above factors and the need to blame someone for it all, when it's over in a way it's just beginning. At the moment everyone's holed up in their homes. When we're allowed out the repercussions will begin. It may not reach Civil war, but it may do, at least in the US, possibly here and across mainland Europe. And China and Russia will be watching on (not interfering, of course). The depths of the oncoming Depression could be as bad as 1929. And that period ultimately came to an end and the world was able to press the reset button, only after the events that happened just ten years afterwards. So, in a nutshell, I hope the MMT advocates are right because we can all just write this debt mountain off, for now.
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