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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 20 Jun 20 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Good to hear of a positive outcome. There is something to be said for this. No matter a persons background or obstacles they face it's not an impossibility to emerge from it. It takes a certain character though. One most people regardless of their race, do not possess. I think a lot of the obstacles were in his head rather than actually still around. Maybe it could depend on your level, but I keep hearing that discrimination jumps out at every level. There is without doubt discrimination towards how you sound. Isn’t there for most people that can’t pronounce words correctly when their first language is English? What I struggle to understand is why some black families invent new names that aren’t going to do kids any favours on their CV’s. I understand the traditional name argument but some of the new names that come out of nowhere get binned just like the chavvy sounding white names. I suppose there used to be an ‘us and them’ feeling in the black community and anyone daring to venture over was going to hear it. Now many want progress, understandably. Will be interesting to see if the bizarre male white names I hear around these days can compete with private school educated boys. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Jun 2020 4.25pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 20 Jun 20 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
It's really not hard, choose to work hard for a better life and choose not to be a cvnt. Lots of people from all cultures in this country come from a deprived background. Education is the silver bullet and Tony Blair was right about that. Those without qualifications face a tougher life but even then a life of poverty is not necessarily a foregone conclusion. In this country we have a decent education system open to all and if you miss out during your school years there are still adult education classes and the Open University plus various diploma courses. What I don't understand then is what opportunities are being denied? Are they saying that the education system is too weighted towards academia and university? I agree, if they are asking for more technical courses for people who don't want to work in an office they will get no argument from me but this cuts across race. We need more plumbers and car mechanics etc. Are they saying that there is not enough adult education again they will get no argument from me lots of people do badly at school and when older regret it. I get they feel hassled by the police but they seem to be complaining about more than that. Are they saying that black people with qualifications are being denied jobs? If that is the case then those companies need to be named and shamed personally in my 40 years of working in the corporate sector I never came across that in fact quite the opposite they didn't care who you were as long as you could do the job. Is it all about poverty well again that cuts across race and I am sorry but I don't believe people should be given hand outs regardless of skin colour. The opportunities are there it is why thousands of migrants choose to risk their lives travelling through many European countries because they want to live here. BLM are like Extinction Rebellion in that they don't seem able to narrow their demands to very specific issues which can then be addressed. Until they do I don't understand what can be done other than virtue signalling.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Jun 20 4.34pm |
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Yes I said at the start you need to know what is it that they want. The one thing you can definitely deliver is African history and unbiased colonial history in education. The equality issue in work, hiring and promotion isn’t an easy one. I bet it’s mainly an issue in very small workplaces, although there isn’t much of a black representation in boardrooms where you expect there might be, especially in the BBC. Strange that one. But they pay huge wages so there’s maybe your answer. Promote within and never change.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jun 20 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Belmont
you are absolutely correct in what you say and it took over 300 years to get from that point to where the descendents of those people are now. However if you draw parallels with where for instance descendants of slavery were in the 60s when they were enduring comparable injustices you seem to be implying (correct me if I'm wrong) that they should be in a similar position now to the decedents those people from the 17th century and in doing so replicating 3 centuries of struggle in a mere 50 or so years, quite a task wouldn't you think? What I am really saying is that you cannot be a victim of the past. African slavery was a disgusting chapter in Western history, as was segregation, but it was what it was and all this desire to hold people not even alive back then somehow responsible for it will only stir up resentments and friction that was never there in the first place.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jun 20 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Going to be pedantic, but there was no 17th Century Britain. The act of the Union didnt come in until 1706. Newton's laws were first published Principa in 1784. It was a time where almost everyone didnt understand gravity. Origin of the species didnt come out until the 1850's! People had no idea that evolution existed. As a concept, racism, probably wasn't defined. The term Homo sapien was first recorded in about 1750. If homo sapiens are around 500,000 years old, we should really be celebrating how fast we are progressing from tribalism to and almost civilised race in about 3,000 years, with the biggest improvements being made recently. I think you will find using the name 'Britain' was quite acceptable for most people. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jun 2020 5.39pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Jun 20 6.51pm |
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I haven’t seen much yet but today’s march looked more like it should be. Churchill’s statue was uncovered and they didn’t go for it because it couldn’t fight back. Meanwhile elsewhere in the world statues are being defaced and toppled.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jun 20 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I haven’t seen much yet but today’s march looked more like it should be. Churchill’s statue was uncovered and they didn’t go for it because it couldn’t fight back. Meanwhile elsewhere in the world statues are being defaced and toppled. Attacking history is a waste of energy and likely to prejudice the very people from whom you ask understanding.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 20 Jun 20 9.47pm |
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I hope this is not racially motivated
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| Eaglecoops CR3 20 Jun 20 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Lots of people from all cultures in this country come from a deprived background. Education is the silver bullet and Tony Blair was right about that. Those without qualifications face a tougher life but even then a life of poverty is not necessarily a foregone conclusion. In this country we have a decent education system open to all and if you miss out during your school years there are still adult education classes and the Open University plus various diploma courses. What I don't understand then is what opportunities are being denied? Are they saying that the education system is too weighted towards academia and university? I agree, if they are asking for more technical courses for people who don't want to work in an office they will get no argument from me but this cuts across race. We need more plumbers and car mechanics etc. Are they saying that there is not enough adult education again they will get no argument from me lots of people do badly at school and when older regret it. I get they feel hassled by the police but they seem to be complaining about more than that. Are they saying that black people with qualifications are being denied jobs? If that is the case then those companies need to be named and shamed personally in my 40 years of working in the corporate sector I never came across that in fact quite the opposite they didn't care who you were as long as you could do the job. Is it all about poverty well again that cuts across race and I am sorry but I don't believe people should be given hand outs regardless of skin colour. The opportunities are there it is why thousands of migrants choose to risk their lives travelling through many European countries because they want to live here. BLM are like Extinction Rebellion in that they don't seem able to narrow their demands to very specific issues which can then be addressed. Until they do I don't understand what can be done other than virtue signalling.
Excellent post. Serious question to those championing BLM, please sensibly answer this post with examples of how change should take place.
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| dannyboy1978 20 Jun 20 10.12pm |
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It's all coming out now.
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| davenotamonkey 20 Jun 20 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
It's all coming out now. I'm trying to understand why the Metropolitan police are providing guidance and support for protests in London today, when legislation was passed on Monday making such protests illegal. WTF are they playing at?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jun 20 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
It's all coming out now. It's just the Black Panthers by a different name. Same kind of objectives that don't bare any realation to reality. The leaders of that group fell out in a big way because in the end that is what always happens with revolutionaries.
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