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W12 30 Jul 19 10.50am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's childish and demeaning. Those who use such language have run out of real answers so have to resort to the bully boy tactics they first learned in the playground. Such people cannot tell the difference between what is true and what is their own prejudice. Sad! Yeah, but he's right though.
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W12 30 Jul 19 10.50am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's childish and demeaning.

Those who use such language have run out of real answers so have to resort to the bully boy tactics they first learned in the playground. Such people cannot tell the difference between what is true and what is their own prejudice. Sad!

Yeah, but he's right though.

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Stirlingsays 30 Jul 19 11.21am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by DanH But it's not even true is it? Forgetting the spotty, nerdy 13 year old teenager's acronym he takes the time to pick apart your posts. You lot just don't like what he says. Anyway, I have work to do, unlike some people apparently. He couldn't pick his nose. Name me something he's picked apart then? You just support NPCs because it's only NPCs who ignore the holes in their arguments and keep repeating the same lies. He has no answers and his politics have only worsened society while ensuring that he doesn't have to live with any consequences.....No wonder you like him. Yeah, off to work, I'll go online and order the Ryzen 3900x. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2019 11.22am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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But it's not even true is it? Forgetting the spotty, nerdy 13 year old teenager's acronym he takes the time to pick apart your posts. You lot just don't like what he says.

Anyway, I have work to do, unlike some people apparently.

He couldn't pick his nose.

Name me something he's picked apart then? You just support NPCs because it's only NPCs who ignore the holes in their arguments and keep repeating the same lies.

He has no answers and his politics have only worsened society while ensuring that he doesn't have to live with any consequences.....No wonder you like him.

Yeah, off to work, I'll go online and order the Ryzen 3900x.

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Midlands Eagle 30 Jul 19 11.38am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Can we all stop the personal digs please
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Can we all stop the personal digs please

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 19 11.38am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by W12 What makes you think that? London certainly does not look less religious than it did when Blair took over. I also see many more people in very, shall we say "conservative" looking attire. "Conservative" for some religions equates to "extremist". Many countries have banned this way of dressing for this reason including countries where some of those people originate. There are many other examples of religious behavior that either constitute serious crimes in UK law (child mutilation for example) or antithetical to western values (ritual slaughter for example) but are ignored or swept under the carpet of diversity. A certain highly resurgent religion seems to be antithetical to change or reformation (it being perfect and unchangeable as caste in scripture) and arguably going backwards in this respect i.e. The young people seem to be the most "conservative". How does logic apply to this and how will education help and not make this worse when we now have large numbers of faith schools that promote this going unchecked due to the usual special privileges they receive? We refuse to even investigate foreign funding of some of these institutions which is severely open to question given the obvious wealth and global reach of these countries and their ideologies. I guess more relevant to you is What happens when this starts to affect Cornwall? We start by banning faith schools. Of all sorts and for all religions. All children from whatever background need to leave their religion at home and learn British values while at school. No exceptions. It would cause an enormous uproar and mass protests but it is a critical first step in reversing the current drift. Let the children experience alternative thinking and learn new values. Let them make new friends outside of their immediate circle. Let them challenge the set ways of their parent's generation. You can already see this happening with some more progressive youngsters. We need to encourage it, whilst explaining why. For me this is the only practical way forward. Moaning and groaning about what might have been and who is to blame get's us no-where at all. It will take a long time and we will face significant disruption from activists which could cause mayhem but we need to face up to it and bite the bullet. What is your solution? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 19 11.38am

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Originally posted by W12

What makes you think that? London certainly does not look less religious than it did when Blair took over. I also see many more people in very, shall we say "conservative" looking attire. "Conservative" for some religions equates to "extremist". Many countries have banned this way of dressing for this reason including countries where some of those people originate. There are many other examples of religious behavior that either constitute serious crimes in UK law (child mutilation for example) or antithetical to western values (ritual slaughter for example) but are ignored or swept under the carpet of diversity.

A certain highly resurgent religion seems to be antithetical to change or reformation (it being perfect and unchangeable as caste in scripture) and arguably going backwards in this respect i.e. The young people seem to be the most "conservative".

How does logic apply to this and how will education help and not make this worse when we now have large numbers of faith schools that promote this going unchecked due to the usual special privileges they receive? We refuse to even investigate foreign funding of some of these institutions which is severely open to question given the obvious wealth and global reach of these countries and their ideologies.

I guess more relevant to you is What happens when this starts to affect Cornwall?

We start by banning faith schools. Of all sorts and for all religions. All children from whatever background need to leave their religion at home and learn British values while at school. No exceptions.

It would cause an enormous uproar and mass protests but it is a critical first step in reversing the current drift.

Let the children experience alternative thinking and learn new values. Let them make new friends outside of their immediate circle. Let them challenge the set ways of their parent's generation.

You can already see this happening with some more progressive youngsters. We need to encourage it, whilst explaining why.

For me this is the only practical way forward. Moaning and groaning about what might have been and who is to blame get's us no-where at all. It will take a long time and we will face significant disruption from activists which could cause mayhem but we need to face up to it and bite the bullet.

What is your solution?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 30 Jul 19 11.56am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We start by banning faith schools. Of all sorts and for all religions. All children from whatever background need to leave their religion at home and learn British values while at school. No exceptions. It would cause an enormous uproar and mass protests but it is a critical first step in reversing the current drift. Let the children experience alternative thinking and learn new values. Let them make new friends outside of their immediate circle. Let them challenge the set ways of their parent's generation. You can already see this happening with some more progressive youngsters. We need to encourage it, whilst explaining why. For me this is the only practical way forward. Moaning and groaning about what might have been and who is to blame get's us no-where at all. It will take a long time and we will face significant disruption from activists which could cause mayhem but we need to face up to it and bite the bullet. What is your solution? You don't ban Christian faith schools because Christianity is what our society and tolerant Western values have been built on. It's partly why our society is f***ed now with lack of family values etc is because leftists like you (you can deny otherwise all you like) want secularism. They want people to worship the state. All faith schools must be kept but shut down the radical ones – and there are plenty of them!
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Beckenham 30 Jul 19 11.56am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It would cause an enormous uproar and mass protests but it is a critical first step in reversing the current drift.

Let the children experience alternative thinking and learn new values. Let them make new friends outside of their immediate circle. Let them challenge the set ways of their parent's generation.

You can already see this happening with some more progressive youngsters. We need to encourage it, whilst explaining why.

What is your solution?

You don't ban Christian faith schools because Christianity is what our society and tolerant Western values have been built on. It's partly why our society is f***ed now with lack of family values etc is because leftists like you (you can deny otherwise all you like) want secularism. They want people to worship the state. All faith schools must be kept but shut down the radical ones – and there are plenty of them!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 19 12.17pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by W12 Yeah, but he's right though. Hunting in gangs are we? I didn't think you approved of people who did that! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 19 12.17pm

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Originally posted by W12

Yeah, but he's right though.

Hunting in gangs are we?

I didn't think you approved of people who did that!

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Stirlingsays 30 Jul 19 12.22pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle DanH just defended and supported this guy, shall we apply a 'hunting in packs' criticism? This guy himself writes in support of lefties on here...if he didn't have double standards he wouldn't have any. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2019 12.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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DanH just defended and supported this guy, shall we apply a 'hunting in packs' criticism? This guy himself writes in support of lefties on here...if he didn't have double standards he wouldn't have any.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 19 12.31pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Penge Eagle You don't ban Christian faith schools because Christianity is what our society and tolerant Western values have been built on. It's partly why our society is f***ed now with lack of family values etc is because leftists like you (you can deny otherwise all you like) want secularism. They want people to worship the state. All faith schools must be kept but shut down the radical ones – and there are plenty of them! Yes you do ban them. Any school which teaches children that their "God" is superior to another "God" is training people to be intolerant. Teaching about religion and it's place in the development of society and it's value to various cultures is fine. Teaching any specific religion is not. That should be reserved for the home and the church. In my view all religion should be a private matter and never seen on the public square. It ought have no place in public life. The idea of an established Church offends me. Sunday schools are where children should go if their parents wish them to learn their Christian faith. The idea that only faith schools can teach family values is bunkum. We can very easily teach people the value of family and love of country in a secular society. It has nothing to do with "worshipping" the state, or anything else. It has only to do with respect and tolerance of others. Teach good standards, and high morals using the golden rule as your corner stone and the rest flows naturally. Besides all of that you simply cannot expect to target one religion and ignore the others if you are to have any hope of success. It's religion which lies at the bottom of all of these problems and not any specific religion. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 19 12.31pm

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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Yes you do ban them. Any school which teaches children that their "God" is superior to another "God" is training people to be intolerant.

Teaching about religion and it's place in the development of society and it's value to various cultures is fine. Teaching any specific religion is not. That should be reserved for the home and the church. In my view all religion should be a private matter and never seen on the public square. It ought have no place in public life. The idea of an established Church offends me. Sunday schools are where children should go if their parents wish them to learn their Christian faith.

The idea that only faith schools can teach family values is bunkum. We can very easily teach people the value of family and love of country in a secular society. It has nothing to do with "worshipping" the state, or anything else. It has only to do with respect and tolerance of others. Teach good standards, and high morals using the golden rule as your corner stone and the rest flows naturally.

Besides all of that you simply cannot expect to target one religion and ignore the others if you are to have any hope of success. It's religion which lies at the bottom of all of these problems and not any specific religion.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 30 Jul 19 12.38pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Yes you do ban them. Any school which teaches children that their "God" is superior to another "God" is training people to be intolerant. Rubbish. That's not found in Christian faith schools.
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Beckenham 30 Jul 19 12.38pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes you do ban them. Any school which teaches children that their "God" is superior to another "God" is training people to be intolerant.

Rubbish. That's not found in Christian faith schools.

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Stirlingsays 30 Jul 19 12.42pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle This guy writes such complete and utter tripe.....I have to opt out of referring to him....it's bad for my blood pressure. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2019 12.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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This guy writes such complete and utter tripe.....I have to opt out of referring to him....it's bad for my blood pressure.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2019 12.45pm)

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W12 30 Jul 19 1.04pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We start by banning faith schools. Of all sorts and for all religions. All children from whatever background need to leave their religion at home and learn British values while at school. No exceptions. It would cause an enormous uproar and mass protests but it is a critical first step in reversing the current drift. Let the children experience alternative thinking and learn new values. Let them make new friends outside of their immediate circle. Let them challenge the set ways of their parent's generation. You can already see this happening with some more progressive youngsters. We need to encourage it, whilst explaining why. For me this is the only practical way forward. Moaning and groaning about what might have been and who is to blame get's us no-where at all. It will take a long time and we will face significant disruption from activists which could cause mayhem but we need to face up to it and bite the bullet. What is your solution? You want all faith schools to be abolished because you don't like religion? There is always an authoritarian lurking just below the surface isn't there? It strikes me that those "progressive values" have been largely responsible for what's brought us to this current nihilistic dystopia. State schooling has been central to all of that indoctrination (something like 97% of teachers are the same political persuasion so there is no diversity of thought allowed). There are clearly lots of practical things that could be done about this: 1. Primarily stop mass immigration (otherwise the problems will clearly get worse) 2. Prosecuting with vigor barbarous and extreme behavior (not just terrorism) 3. Closing down demonstrably extremist institutions 4. Transparency of funding and greater control over the transfer of funds across border (difficult now I admit) 5. Stopping extremist preachers entering the country 6. Banning things like ritual slaughter in it's totality 7. Giving voice to the concerns of citizens instead of pretending this isn't happening 8. We clearly need a public inquiry where we have widespread and systematic abuse of any of the above I hold out no hopes for the above in the near term (due to the current liberal hegemony) so continue to do as much as I can to publicize these issues, attend marches and directly fund various alternative media that is willing to discuss these things openly and honestly.
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W12 30 Jul 19 1.04pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It would cause an enormous uproar and mass protests but it is a critical first step in reversing the current drift.

Let the children experience alternative thinking and learn new values. Let them make new friends outside of their immediate circle. Let them challenge the set ways of their parent's generation.

You can already see this happening with some more progressive youngsters. We need to encourage it, whilst explaining why.

What is your solution?

You want all faith schools to be abolished because you don't like religion? There is always an authoritarian lurking just below the surface isn't there?

It strikes me that those "progressive values" have been largely responsible for what's brought us to this current nihilistic dystopia. State schooling has been central to all of that indoctrination (something like 97% of teachers are the same political persuasion so there is no diversity of thought allowed).

There are clearly lots of practical things that *could* be done about this:

1. Primarily stop mass immigration (otherwise the problems will clearly get worse)
2. Prosecuting with vigor barbarous and extreme behavior (not just terrorism)
3. Closing down demonstrably extremist institutions
4. Transparency of funding and greater control over the transfer of funds across border (difficult now I admit)
5. Stopping extremist preachers entering the country
6. Banning things like ritual slaughter in it's totality
7. Giving voice to the concerns of citizens instead of pretending this isn't happening
8. We clearly need a public inquiry where we have widespread and systematic abuse of any of the above

I hold out no hopes for the above in the near term (due to the current liberal hegemony) so continue to do as much as I can to publicize these issues, attend marches and directly fund various alternative media that is willing to discuss these things openly and honestly.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Jul 19 1.14pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle 18 years ago they weren't compulsory. They are now and they are rigorously enforced. You cannot get a legal visa without one. If something illegal is being done I don't know but it feels likely. Hold on hold on. So you live in a country where the language isn't your home country language & you can't be arsed to learn it. Bulls*** fella & know excuse Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Jul 19 1.14pm

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18 years ago they weren't compulsory. They are now and they are rigorously enforced. You cannot get a legal visa without one. If something illegal is being done I don't know but it feels likely.

Hold on hold on. So you live in a country where the language isn't your home country language & you can't be arsed to learn it. Bulls*** fella & know excuse

Pro USA & Israel

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