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Petereagle Brockley 30 Jul 16 9.06am
Originally posted by bexleydave Just one question; how is it that the supposed negotiating genius has failed (with possibly Wickham excepted) to sign a goal-scoring striker since we've been in the PL? Murray and Gayle are the closest we've come since SP's been in charge, and neither are here any more. If signing one crock after another is 'value for money' then I'd recommend trying paying the asking price and see how that goes. Dave, clubs at or around our PL level like West Ham, Stoke or WBA havn't signed top level strikers either. We very astutely got our 'easier' signings in first, which represents in all three cases very good business for a keeper, CB and wide player. It is going to be very hard to get a couple of top strikers over the line at Palace in the face of so much competition, but I am sure PP (Parish and Pardew) have a set of fallback options, including promising but PL unproven strikers like Babacar which we might have to move to if we fall short with BB (Benteke and/or Berahino)!
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Brockley 30 Jul 16 9.06am

Originally posted by bexleydave

Just one question; how is it that the supposed negotiating genius has failed (with possibly Wickham excepted) to sign a goal-scoring striker since we've been in the PL? Murray and Gayle are the closest we've come since SP's been in charge, and neither are here any more. If signing one crock after another is 'value for money' then I'd recommend trying paying the asking price and see how that goes.

Dave, clubs at or around our PL level like West Ham, Stoke or WBA havn't signed top level strikers either. We very astutely got our 'easier' signings in first, which represents in all three cases very good business for a keeper, CB and wide player. It is going to be very hard to get a couple of top strikers over the line at Palace in the face of so much competition, but I am sure PP (Parish and Pardew) have a set of fallback options, including promising but PL unproven strikers like Babacar which we might have to move to if we fall short with BB (Benteke and/or Berahino)!

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dp Tunbridge Wells 30 Jul 16 9.28am
Originally posted by bexleydave Just one question; how is it that the supposed negotiating genius has failed (with possibly Wickham excepted) to sign a goal-scoring striker since we've been in the PL? Murray and Gayle are the closest we've come since SP's been in charge, and neither are here any more. If signing one crock after another is 'value for money' then I'd recommend trying paying the asking price and see how that goes. To be fair, we signed four forwards (Dwight Gayle, Stephen Dobbie, Kevin Phillips, Marouane Chamakh) the season we got promoted. But since then we have grown in stature. My own view is that SP has seen that a goal scoring striker has not been high on the priority list. We got hammered under Holloway playing open football when we didn't have the quality to do so. We stayed up under Pulis by playing tight football and making the most of what we had - which was not a 20 goal a season striker. We stayed in contention - nothing more - under Warnock and under Pardew we have moved forward. I thought that the start of last season we took teams by surprise - but in the second half it looked like most teams had worked us out. The impact of Bolasie's injury couldn't be underestimated, but SP has signed Townsend... It is plainly obvious that to move forward we need to sign a striker. Everyone knows that, including SP and AP. I think they knew it was a priority in January and failed miserably to get their targets over the line - hence Adebayor. I don't think that they will fail again. SP has a tendency to not make the same mistakes twice.
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Tunbridge Wells 30 Jul 16 9.28am

Originally posted by bexleydave

To be fair, we signed four forwards (Dwight Gayle, Stephen Dobbie, Kevin Phillips, Marouane Chamakh) the season we got promoted. But since then we have grown in stature.

My own view is that SP has seen that a goal scoring striker has not been high on the priority list. We got hammered under Holloway playing open football when we didn't have the quality to do so. We stayed up under Pulis by playing tight football and making the most of what we had - which was not a 20 goal a season striker. We stayed in contention - nothing more - under Warnock and under Pardew we have moved forward.

I thought that the start of last season we took teams by surprise - but in the second half it looked like most teams had worked us out. The impact of Bolasie's injury couldn't be underestimated, but SP has signed Townsend...

It is plainly obvious that to move forward we need to sign a striker. Everyone knows that, including SP and AP. I think they knew it was a priority in January and failed miserably to get their targets over the line - hence Adebayor.

I don't think that they will fail again. SP has a tendency to not make the same mistakes twice.

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james03 Bangkok 30 Jul 16 9.47am
Originally posted by dp To be fair, we signed four forwards (]Dwight Gayle, Stephen Dobbie, Kevin Phillips, Marouane Chamakh) the season we got promoted. But since then we have grown in stature. My own view is that SP has seen that a goal scoring striker has not been high on the priority list. We got hammered under Holloway playing open football when we didn't have the quality to do so. We stayed up under Pulis by playing tight football and making the most of what we had - which was not a 20 goal a season striker. We stayed in contention - nothing more - under Warnock and under Pardew we have moved forward. I thought that the start of last season we took teams by surprise - but in the second half it looked like most teams had worked us out. The impact of Bolasie's injury couldn't be underestimated, but SP has signed Townsend... It is plainly obvious that to move forward we need to sign a striker. Everyone knows that, including SP and AP. I think they knew it was a priority in January and failed miserably to get their targets over the line - hence Adebayor. I don't think that they will fail again. SP has a tendency to not make the same mistakes twice. You omitted Cameron Jerome who we signed on a season long loan the year we got promoted. Not that in a trillion years he would be classed as a goal scorer of repute! I have to say though that anyone who did not 'work us out' well before last season must be a bit thick. We did not have a secret plan but played the way we did the year before. Two wide men with Puncheon between them and one man up front. We are not that tough to work out - but what is tough is stopping us from being dangerous when YB or WZ go past one or two defenders without sticking eleven men behind the ball (see Sunderland at Selhurst last season). Where we have, to some degree, let ourselves down is by not making enough chances and not converting sufficient of those we do make. With Townsend now here and, hopefully, two real strikers things should pick up. The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho Marx
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james03

Bangkok 30 Jul 16 9.47am

Originally posted by dp

To be fair, we signed four forwards (]Dwight Gayle, Stephen Dobbie, Kevin Phillips, Marouane Chamakh) the season we got promoted. But since then we have grown in stature.

I don't think that they will fail again. SP has a tendency to not make the same mistakes twice.

You omitted Cameron Jerome who we signed on a season long loan the year we got promoted. Not that in a trillion years he would be classed as a goal scorer of repute!

I have to say though that anyone who did not 'work us out' well before last season must be a bit thick. We did not have a secret plan but played the way we did the year before. Two wide men with Puncheon between them and one man up front.

We are not that tough to work out - but what is tough is stopping us from being dangerous when YB or WZ go past one or two defenders without sticking eleven men behind the ball (see Sunderland at Selhurst last season).

Where we have, to some degree, let ourselves down is by not making enough chances and not converting sufficient of those we do make. With Townsend now here and, hopefully, two real strikers things should pick up.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho Marx

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dp Tunbridge Wells 30 Jul 16 10.30am
Yes, I forgot Cameron Jerome. So we signed 5 forwards (although Kevin Phillips was on loan the season before too). The point was that our style of play has developed and that Palace is developing as a club. We have finite resources and we have done a good job of doing the best with them. The reason why we have not previously signed a top quality striker is because we couldn't attract one or afford one and our priorities lay elsewhere. I still think that we took the Premiership by surprise in the first half of last season. Other than that, I agree with you. With Wickham and another quality striker, or possibly two, we are going to be good to watch. Where I disagree with most of the posts on here, is the idea that Gayle was going to be that Premiership quality striker for us. I don't think he was, which is why we sold him.
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Tunbridge Wells 30 Jul 16 10.30am

Yes, I forgot Cameron Jerome. So we signed 5 forwards (although Kevin Phillips was on loan the season before too). The point was that our style of play has developed and that Palace is developing as a club. We have finite resources and we have done a good job of doing the best with them. The reason why we have not previously signed a top quality striker is because we couldn't attract one or afford one and our priorities lay elsewhere.

I still think that we took the Premiership by surprise in the first half of last season. Other than that, I agree with you. With Wickham and another quality striker, or possibly two, we are going to be good to watch.

Where I disagree with most of the posts on here, is the idea that Gayle was going to be that Premiership quality striker for us. I don't think he was, which is why we sold him.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Jul 16 10.37am
Originally posted by dp Where I disagree with most of the posts on here, is the idea that Gayle was going to be that Premiership quality striker for us. I don't think he was, which is why we sold him. Gayle in a good Newcastle team could be a revelation in the Championship and if so could go on to be a good PL striker. Look what happened to Colleymore - couldn't get into our team as we had Wright and Bright, dropped down to Southend and had a good goalscoring record for them, then on to Nottm Forest where he did well and the rest as they say is history. Edited by Willo (30 Jul 2016 10.39am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Jul 16 10.37am

Originally posted by dp

Where I disagree with most of the posts on here, is the idea that Gayle was going to be that Premiership quality striker for us. I don't think he was, which is why we sold him.

Gayle in a good Newcastle team could be a revelation in the Championship and if so could go on to be a good PL striker. Look what happened to Colleymore - couldn't get into our team as we had Wright and Bright, dropped down to Southend and had a good goalscoring record for them, then on to Nottm Forest where he did well and the rest as they say is history.

Edited by Willo (30 Jul 2016 10.39am)

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Aray South London 30 Jul 16 10.53am
Reality check: the toffees have turned down a £57m offer for Lukaku from Chelscum. If that's the going rate for a proven 25 goal scorer in the premiership £32.5m is a steal. Would the bin dippers sell to their city rivals? If we were still in the running I suspect we could be toast now
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Aray

South London 30 Jul 16 10.53am

Reality check: the toffees have turned down a £57m offer for Lukaku from Chelscum. If that's the going rate for a proven 25 goal scorer in the premiership £32.5m is a steal. Would the bin dippers sell to their city rivals?

If we were still in the running I suspect we could be toast now

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dp Tunbridge Wells 30 Jul 16 10.58am
100% agree. I always felt that we used our new Premiership status to sign Gayle with one eye on relegation. I always thought that he would be a brilliant signing for a good Championship team and that if we had got relegated then he would have fired us straight back up into the Premiership. I thought that he suffered because we stayed up, so he never got the chance to find his feet with an abundance of chances in the Championship. I thought we saw signs last year that he got into good positions and then fluffed his lines. In the Championship he will get more chances, find his feet, score more goals and I am sure that this will propel him back to the Premiership. I expect that there will be loads of posts over the next two years saying that we were wrong to let him go. I still think it was right (for both him and us) to let him go.
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Tunbridge Wells 30 Jul 16 10.58am

100% agree.

I always felt that we used our new Premiership status to sign Gayle with one eye on relegation. I always thought that he would be a brilliant signing for a good Championship team and that if we had got relegated then he would have fired us straight back up into the Premiership.

I thought that he suffered because we stayed up, so he never got the chance to find his feet with an abundance of chances in the Championship.

I thought we saw signs last year that he got into good positions and then fluffed his lines. In the Championship he will get more chances, find his feet, score more goals and I am sure that this will propel him back to the Premiership.

I expect that there will be loads of posts over the next two years saying that we were wrong to let him go. I still think it was right (for both him and us) to let him go.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 30 Jul 16 11.39am
Originally posted by dp To be fair, we signed four forwards (Dwight Gayle, Stephen Dobbie, Kevin Phillips, Marouane Chamakh) the season we got promoted. But since then we have grown in stature. My own view is that SP has seen that a goal scoring striker has not been high on the priority list. We got hammered under Holloway playing open football when we didn't have the quality to do so. We stayed up under Pulis by playing tight football and making the most of what we had - which was not a 20 goal a season striker. We stayed in contention - nothing more - under Warnock and under Pardew we have moved forward. I thought that the start of last season we took teams by surprise - but in the second half it looked like most teams had worked us out. The impact of Bolasie's injury couldn't be underestimated, but SP has signed Townsend... It is plainly obvious that to move forward we need to sign a striker. Everyone knows that, including SP and AP. I think they knew it was a priority in January and failed miserably to get their targets over the line - hence Adebayor. I don't think that they will fail again. SP has a tendency to not make the same mistakes twice. Very true on this signing, good cover just in case we lose him to another team as well, like Tomkins in relation to Dann. Personally I feel Townsend will be hard to knock out of the team once established and that might be a lot earlier than the AFCON. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 30 Jul 16 11.39am

Originally posted by dp

To be fair, we signed four forwards (Dwight Gayle, Stephen Dobbie, Kevin Phillips, Marouane Chamakh) the season we got promoted. But since then we have grown in stature.

I thought that the start of last season we took teams by surprise - but in the second half it looked like most teams had worked us out. The impact of Bolasie's injury couldn't be underestimated, but SP has signed Townsend...

I don't think that they will fail again. SP has a tendency to not make the same mistakes twice.

Very true on this signing, good cover just in case we lose him to another team as well, like Tomkins in relation to Dann. Personally I feel Townsend will be hard to knock out of the team once established and that might be a lot earlier than the AFCON.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Jul 16 11.51am
I think the way we are going this season will be of youth coming through we are just going to have to pitch them in. Forget about these sulky prima-donnas like Benteke.
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steeleye20

Croydon 30 Jul 16 11.51am

I think the way we are going this season will be of youth coming through we are just going to have to pitch them in.

Forget about these sulky prima-donnas like Benteke.

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Petereagle Brockley 30 Jul 16 12.17pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I think the way we are going this season will be of youth coming through we are just going to have to pitch them in. Forget about these sulky prima-donnas like Benteke. There are strikers playing for european clubs like Babacar and my best guess us that if we don't succeed with Benteke or Berahino we will dip into the european market ...Swansea for example have had a lot of success doing that, as have Southampton, so why not us?
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Petereagle

Brockley 30 Jul 16 12.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think the way we are going this season will be of youth coming through we are just going to have to pitch them in.

Forget about these sulky prima-donnas like Benteke.

There are strikers playing for european clubs like Babacar and my best guess us that if we don't succeed with Benteke or Berahino we will dip into the european market ...Swansea for example have had a lot of success doing that, as have Southampton, so why not us?

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Jacey 30 Jul 16 12.29pm
Originally posted by Petereagle There are strikers playing for european clubs like Babacar and my best guess us that if we don't succeed with Benteke or Berahino we will dip into the european market ...Swansea for example have had a lot of success doing that, as have Southampton, so why not us? Good idea, but better get moving , as the new season starts in a fortnight and the window shuts in little over a months time.
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