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  Hrolf The Ganger  29 Apr 19 9.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account. That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better. I see no influence at all from immigrant communities trying to silence investigations and would be the first to object if I did. I do though see attempts from some, Robinson being one, to exploit the situation in pursuit of a bigger agenda.
I couldn't care less about Robinson but you have proved my point nicely by highlighting his role in exposing the situation rather than saying that any reasonable person should be disgusted by the whole affair and asking why people with such a low regard for British women are even in this country to begin with.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 9.15am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Given exactly that point, why is Yaxley-Lennon lauded as a spokesperson. Surely there is someone that is not a criminal available to carry the torch. Perhaps points made would then have some credibility. Robinson echoes the sentiment that regular people feel. He hasn't created it like you would like us to believe. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2019 9.18am)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Apr 19 9.19am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
So why make that previous remark ? Especially when it was made on a post he had to exit twice.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.32am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
The video is highlighting the failures and criticising the police for ignoring innocent children, they arrested the children not the rapists!! and it was people like Tommy Robinson who raised the alarm bells. No it isn't. The video is showing how a Parliamentary committee deals with such failures. Robinson wasn't mentioned and I doubt very much whether any of the MPs on the committee would give him the time of day let alone any thanks for "raising the alarm bells".
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it isn't. The video is showing how a Parliamentary committee deals with such failures. Robinson wasn't mentioned and I doubt very much whether any of the MPs on the committee would give him the time of day let alone any thanks for "raising the alarm bells". Well call me strange but I would have thought that the overriding question would be about the kinds of people we allow into this country. No one want to go there do they.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.51am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I couldn't care less about Robinson but you have proved my point nicely by highlighting his role in exposing the situation rather than saying that any reasonable person should be disgusted by the whole affair and asking why people with such a low regard for British women are even in this country to begin with. It's this idea that Robinson's role in "highlighting this situation" being beneficial which is so wrong. Official investigations and the subsequent reports dealt with in a structured way is the right way to handle such failures. When dealing with highly sensitive issues like this we don't want people like Robinson throwing petrol onto a fire. We don't need headlines in the Sun and the Daily Mail designed to wind up people. We need quiet, effective, corrective action which ensures that the criminals are brought to justice, that any Police failings are found and dealt with, and that the community regains confidence in those whose job it is to protect them. Any residual problems involving any person's, or group's, lack of respect for others has to be a long term project involving the education system and the whole community. Such issues do not disappear overnight and are not helped by those seeking to use the issues for their particular political purposes.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.57am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well call me strange but I would have thought that the overriding question would be about the kinds of people we allow into this country. No one want to go there do they. Have you ever been involved in the visa process? The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it. This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 10.00am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's this idea that Robinson's role in "highlighting this situation" being beneficial which is so wrong. Official investigations and the subsequent reports dealt with in a structured way is the right way to handle such failures. When dealing with highly sensitive issues like this we don't want people like Robinson throwing petrol onto a fire. We don't need headlines in the Sun and the Daily Mail designed to wind up people. We need quiet, effective, corrective action which ensures that the criminals are brought to justice, that any Police failings are found and dealt with, and that the community regains confidence in those whose job it is to protect them. Any residual problems involving any person's, or group's, lack of respect for others has to be a long term project involving the education system and the whole community. Such issues do not disappear overnight and are not helped by those seeking to use the issues for their particular political purposes. People use situations for political purposes all the time. This is nothing new.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Have you ever been involved in the visa process? The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it. This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road. Life is never simple. I won't lie and say that I'm glad we welcomed these people here. For me, this kind of policy is an accident waiting to happen. Why should we pay to keep these people in prison when many of us didn't want them here in the first place. We were right.
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| Midlands Eagle 29 Apr 19 10.09am |
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Tommy Robinson has his own thread so can you leave him out of this one please.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Apr 19 10.09am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Have we left yet? Yes we left so we are now in the EU. You don't really get brexit do you?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Tommy Robinson has his own thread so can you leave him out of this one please. I'd actually forgotten this as the Brexit thread. The amount of attention Robinson gets generally is ridiculous. Now Brexit. Have we left yet?
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