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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 9.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't believe anything this guy says anymore. He even speaks up for those that lie and shape narratives so essentially it's people like him who are the problem. I presume that is directed at me! Let me assure you that it isn't me that's the problem. It's people like you. The last thing our country needs is populism which is where you would take us, whether intended or not. I fully realise that in this forum I am outnumbered by those who take your line. I also realise that in today's climate many people are sick and tired of the Brexit fiasco and want to see it over, almost at any price. However, when it is over and things stabilise, I sense that UK politics will never be the same. The old party system is busted and no longer fit for purpose. There will always be a hard core on both the left and the right but the vast majority are just like me. In the middle! It may take some years but I am quite sure that post Brexit, however it goes, our future won't be in the hands of people like either Farage or Corbyn but in the hands of sensible middle ground pragmatists. It might be boring and predictable but I look forward to it. A bit like I enjoy some mid table security for Palace with the odd cup final thrown in for excitement. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 10.14pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 9.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't believe anything this guy says anymore. He even speaks up for those that lie and shape narratives so essentially it's people like him who are the problem.

I presume that is directed at me!

Let me assure you that it isn't me that's the problem. It's people like you. The last thing our country needs is populism which is where you would take us, whether intended or not. I fully realise that in this forum I am outnumbered by those who take your line. I also realise that in today's climate many people are sick and tired of the Brexit fiasco and want to see it over, almost at any price.

However, when it is over and things stabilise, I sense that UK politics will never be the same. The old party system is busted and no longer fit for purpose. There will always be a hard core on both the left and the right but the vast majority are just like me. In the middle!

It may take some years but I am quite sure that post Brexit, however it goes, our future won't be in the hands of people like either Farage or Corbyn but in the hands of sensible middle ground pragmatists. It might be boring and predictable but I look forward to it. A bit like I enjoy some mid table security for Palace with the odd cup final thrown in for excitement.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 10.00pm
Originally posted by dollardays You're right in the sense that is was advisory, but take an eventuality where the result was more aligned with your preference and remain had won. Would you still be saying that the result means nothing? A monumental number of people voted one way or the other, so that certainly means something as to the value that the general public attributed to it. I don't disagree that voting in or out a party can result in significant change too, but when parties do not uphold their end of the bargain to begin with and in fact hold very opaque views on an issue, what exactly does that vote count for or achieve either? If Remain had won we would have faced an entirely different scenario. Farage had already said that the battle would continue. It might have quietened down for a while but surely would not have gone away. Voting to Leave produced unforeseen and unique problems. These were compounded by a minority Parliament dependant on the Unionists. It's a mess no-one wanted and for which no-one can really be blamed. All took decisions they believed to be in our best interests. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Now we need to try to find a path out which avoids too much further division. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 10.00pm

Originally posted by dollardays

You're right in the sense that is was advisory, but take an eventuality where the result was more aligned with your preference and remain had won. Would you still be saying that the result means nothing? A monumental number of people voted one way or the other, so that certainly means something as to the value that the general public attributed to it.

I don't disagree that voting in or out a party can result in significant change too, but when parties do not uphold their end of the bargain to begin with and in fact hold very opaque views on an issue, what exactly does that vote count for or achieve either?

If Remain had won we would have faced an entirely different scenario. Farage had already said that the battle would continue. It might have quietened down for a while but surely would not have gone away.

Voting to Leave produced unforeseen and unique problems. These were compounded by a minority Parliament dependant on the Unionists.

It's a mess no-one wanted and for which no-one can really be blamed. All took decisions they believed to be in our best interests. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Now we need to try to find a path out which avoids too much further division.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Apr 19 10.21pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 [Link] When we have protected groups in society, this kind of thing will happen. What you see now is the ever increasing immigrant population using its the growing influence to silence objections to this kind of policy by yelling racist and recruiting the useful idiots of the left to stand in their corner. Tommy Robinson is a perfect target for this because he can be held up as the 'racist' voice of the objectors because of his past associations so everyone else with concerns can be pigeonholed as racists along with him. It's an old old trick to influence minds and stifle debate.
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When we have protected groups in society, this kind of thing will happen.
What you see now is the ever increasing immigrant population using its the growing influence to silence objections to this kind of policy by yelling racist and recruiting the useful idiots of the left to stand in their corner.
Tommy Robinson is a perfect target for this because he can be held up as the 'racist' voice of the objectors because of his past associations so everyone else with concerns can be pigeonholed as racists along with him.

It's an old old trick to influence minds and stifle debate.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 11.22pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger When we have protected groups in society, this kind of thing will happen. What you see now is the ever increasing immigrant population using its the growing influence to silence objections to this kind of policy by yelling racist and recruiting the useful idiots of the left to stand in their corner. Tommy Robinson is a perfect target for this because he can be held up as the 'racist' voice of the objectors because of his past associations so everyone else with concerns can be pigeonholed as racists along with him. It's an old old trick to influence minds and stifle debate. I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account. That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better. I see no influence at all from immigrant communities trying to silence investigations and would be the first to object if I did. I do though see attempts from some, Robinson being one, to exploit the situation in pursuit of a bigger agenda. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 11.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's an old old trick to influence minds and stifle debate.

I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account.

That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better.

I see no influence at all from immigrant communities trying to silence investigations and would be the first to object if I did. I do though see attempts from some, Robinson being one, to exploit the situation in pursuit of a bigger agenda.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Apr 19 12.24am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger When we have protected groups in society, this kind of thing will happen. What you see now is the ever increasing immigrant population using its the growing influence to silence objections to this kind of policy by yelling racist and recruiting the useful idiots of the left to stand in their corner. Tommy Robinson is a perfect target for this because he can be held up as the 'racist' voice of the objectors because of his past associations so everyone else with concerns can be pigeonholed as racists along with him. It's an old old trick to influence minds and stifle debate. Given exactly that point, why is Yaxley-Lennon lauded as a spokesperson. Surely there is someone that is not a criminal available to carry the torch. Perhaps points made would then have some credibility.
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Croydon 29 Apr 19 12.24am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's an old old trick to influence minds and stifle debate.

Given exactly that point, why is Yaxley-Lennon lauded as a spokesperson. Surely there is someone that is not a criminal available to carry the torch. Perhaps points made would then have some credibility.

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Teddy Eagle 29 Apr 19 12.49am
Originally posted by Mapletree Given exactly that point, why is Yaxley-Lennon lauded as a spokesperson. Surely there is someone that is not a criminal available to carry the torch. Perhaps points made would then have some credibility. But anyone voicing the same concerns would immediately be dismissed as a racist as well. Quite ironic that the vote of a tagged criminal ensured Brexit was delayed again.
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Teddy Eagle

29 Apr 19 12.49am

Originally posted by Mapletree

But anyone voicing the same concerns would immediately be dismissed as a racist as well.
Quite ironic that the vote of a tagged criminal ensured Brexit was delayed again.

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Stirlingsays 29 Apr 19 1.17am
Oh Tommy Tommy....Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2019 1.48am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Apr 19 1.17am

Oh Tommy Tommy....Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Pussay Patrol 29 Apr 19 5.59am
Originally posted by Mapletree Given exactly that point, why is Yaxley-Lennon lauded as a spokesperson. Surely there is someone that is not a criminal available to carry the torch. Perhaps points made would then have some credibility. Yes, he comes across as a quite simple person and only seems to attract the same sort of like minded EDL types. [Link] [Link] Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.00am) Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.03am) Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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29 Apr 19 5.59am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes, he comes across as a quite simple person and only seems to attract the same sort of like minded EDL types.

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Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.00am)

Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.03am)

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dannyboy1978 29 Apr 19 6.37am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account. That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better. I see no influence at all from immigrant communities trying to silence investigations and would be the first to object if I did. I do though see attempts from some, Robinson being one, to exploit the situation in pursuit of a bigger agenda. The video is highlighting the failures and criticising the police for ignoring innocent children, they arrested the children not the rapists!! and it was people like Tommy Robinson who raised the alarm bells.
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dannyboy1978

29 Apr 19 6.37am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account.

That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better.

The video is highlighting the failures and criticising the police for ignoring innocent children, they arrested the children not the rapists!! and it was people like Tommy Robinson who raised the alarm bells.

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dannyboy1978 29 Apr 19 6.43am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Yes, he comes across as a quite simple person and only seems to attract the same sort of like minded EDL types. [Link] [Link] Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.00am) Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.03am) What's wrong with simple minded people? Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view.
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dannyboy1978

29 Apr 19 6.43am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Yes, he comes across as a quite simple person and only seems to attract the same sort of like minded EDL types.

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Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.00am)

Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.03am)

What's wrong with simple minded people?
Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view.

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Pussay Patrol 29 Apr 19 7.38am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 What's wrong with simple minded people? Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view. Evidently not Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

29 Apr 19 7.38am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What's wrong with simple minded people?
Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view.

Evidently not

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