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Spiderman Horsham 27 Apr 19 7.41pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Probably. I don't actually take much notice or often go past the place as it's not on a route I regularly use. I will take note next time I do. But posted it anyway, rather like a lot of the Remain posts on here
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Horsham 27 Apr 19 7.41pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Probably. I don't actually take much notice or often go past the place as it's not on a route I regularly use. I will take note next time I do.

But posted it anyway, rather like a lot of the Remain posts on here

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Apr 19 10.13pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 *it was meant to say vote our Mps in. The point I am saying is you want us to remain and that we should vote in our Mps but that will be to late . In any case we voted in a party on a manefesto to leave. There is a democratic problem if the mps are going against their manefesto mid term No government can be bound by a manifesto because nothing is ever set in stone and events change things. A manifesto can only ever be a wish list. A guide to that which is intended. In this case the government did not expect to be in a minority and dependent on the Unionists. They did not anticipate such a difficulty in getting the negotiated "deal" through the house. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 27 Apr 19 10.13pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

*it was meant to say vote our Mps in.
The point I am saying is you want us to remain and that we should vote in our Mps but that will be to late .

In any case we voted in a party on a manefesto to leave. There is a democratic problem if the mps are going against their manefesto mid term

No government can be bound by a manifesto because nothing is ever set in stone and events change things. A manifesto can only ever be a wish list. A guide to that which is intended. In this case the government did not expect to be in a minority and dependent on the Unionists. They did not anticipate such a difficulty in getting the negotiated "deal" through the house.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Apr 19 12.30am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Wrong again! It's becoming a habit. As I have said elsewhere I was raised in a council house and left school at 16 so I could help provide for the family. I have no sense of entitlement at all. I have worked both hard and smart all my life to achieve anything that I have. Having had a modicum of success I am now now protecting the results as best I can. Not for me personally as my own needs are currently quite modest but for my family members who aren't so fortunate. People who know me would readily attest that I much more willing than most to accept when I am wrong, or when I have learned something new. Not that you will take my word for that! If you really want to consider someone who never admits they are wrong, never apologises and regards any criticism as a personal attack then study Mr Trump. The guy who thinks he is best at everything but cannot actually spell correctly. His Twitter account is a rich source of daily amusement. Wrong thread for that though. Sorry. You lived in a council house? Of course, we had it tough. You are very self righteous Wisbech, whether you realise it or not. No problem. We all have to evolve as human beings. I don't really expect you to change your mind because of internet discussions but it does help me reinforce my resolve to resist at all costs the kind of attitudes that people like you promote.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wrong again! It's becoming a habit. As I have said elsewhere I was raised in a council house and left school at 16 so I could help provide for the family. I have no sense of entitlement at all. I have worked both hard and smart all my life to achieve anything that I have. Having had a modicum of success I am now now protecting the results as best I can. Not for me personally as my own needs are currently quite modest but for my family members who aren't so fortunate.

People who know me would readily attest that I much more willing than most to accept when I am wrong, or when I have learned something new. Not that you will take my word for that!

If you really want to consider someone who never admits they are wrong, never apologises and regards any criticism as a personal attack then study Mr Trump. The guy who thinks he is best at everything but cannot actually spell correctly. His Twitter account is a rich source of daily amusement. Wrong thread for that though. Sorry.

You lived in a council house?

Of course, we had it tough.

You are very self righteous Wisbech, whether you realise it or not.

No problem. We all have to evolve as human beings.

I don't really expect you to change your mind because of internet discussions but it does help me reinforce my resolve to resist at all costs the kind of attitudes that people like you promote.

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Park Road 28 Apr 19 4.46am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's OK. I don't know you either. If you think I should be paying greater attention then you are entitled to that opinion. I wasn't and as your opinion is of no consequence to me I am not going to fret over it. I have better things to do, especially when driving down our narrow lanes. When I think about it I know Muslims attend "Friday prayers" but it isn't lodged at the forefront of my conscientiousness. Better things to do, yet still needed to reply.(another l love the sound of myself example) Isn't lodged in your conscientiousness. (another example of your excuses) You are becoming or are very predictable Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 4.53am)
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28 Apr 19 4.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's OK. I don't know you either. If you think I should be paying greater attention then you are entitled to that opinion. I wasn't and as your opinion is of no consequence to me I am not going to fret over it. I have better things to do, especially when driving down our narrow lanes. When I think about it I know Muslims attend "Friday prayers" but it isn't lodged at the forefront of my conscientiousness.

Better things to do, yet still needed to reply.(another l love the sound of myself example)

Isn't lodged in your conscientiousness. (another example of your excuses)

You are becoming or are very predictable

Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 4.53am)

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dannyboy1978 28 Apr 19 8.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No government can be bound by a manifesto because nothing is ever set in stone and events change things. A manifesto can only ever be a wish list. A guide to that which is intended. In this case the government did not expect to be in a minority and dependent on the Unionists. They did not anticipate such a difficulty in getting the negotiated "deal" through the house. But it goes back to principles. On a 2 answer question the majority of mps from labour & Tories should be falling in line with their manefesto "Wish list" It's like voting UKIP and their mp's says we should remain. 90% of MP's are liars.
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28 Apr 19 8.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

But it goes back to principles. On a 2 answer question the majority of mps from labour & Tories should be falling in line with their manefesto "Wish list"
It's like voting UKIP and their mp's says we should remain.

90% of MP's are liars.

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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Apr 19 9.15am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 But it goes back to principles. On a 2 answer question the majority of mps from labour & Tories should be falling in line with their manefesto "Wish list" It's like voting UKIP and their mp's says we should remain. 90% of MP's are liars. MPs are supposed to be the guardians of our democracy. If it is a dangerous path for them to ignore the will of the people, down that road leads tyranny and anarchy. So at the next election Corbyn scrapes in only for the establishment to say we don't recognise that vote or the Russians interfered etc. Watch the left then squawk about about people's right and Parliament ignoring the will of the people. As I have said before on this thread I don't see have another referendum can be fair because which ever way you phrase the question one side will object. far from healing the divisions and settling the question it will just rumble on with protests and court cases. One more point
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Beckenham 28 Apr 19 9.15am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

90% of MP's are liars.

MPs are supposed to be the guardians of our democracy. If it is a dangerous path for them to ignore the will of the people, down that road leads tyranny and anarchy.

So at the next election Corbyn scrapes in only for the establishment to say we don't recognise that vote or the Russians interfered etc. Watch the left then squawk about about people's right and Parliament ignoring the will of the people.

As I have said before on this thread I don't see have another referendum can be fair because which ever way you phrase the question one side will object. far from healing the divisions and settling the question it will just rumble on with protests and court cases.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 11.55am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You lived in a council house? Of course, we had it tough. You are very self righteous Wisbech, whether you realise it or not. No problem. We all have to evolve as human beings. I don't really expect you to change your mind because of internet discussions but it does help me reinforce my resolve to resist at all costs the kind of attitudes that people like you promote. I didn't say I had it tough. Having witnessed real poverty elsewhere in the world by people who still manage to stay happy I, and just about everyone else in the UK, have nothing to complain about. I was responding to the suggestion I was middle class and "entitled" when my background is far from that. Perhaps I am self righteous but that's grown over the years with my confidence, which was sadly lacking in my youth. I am confident of my opinions and not intimidated by others, no matter if I am in a minority of one. When I see bs I say so. If it makes anyone stop and think then I am happy. I don't expect to change your mind either. As my "attitude" is to resist any drift towards a divided, untruthful, selfish, uncaring society, which takes us backwards, I see any determination to resist it something which itself needs to be fiercely resisted, by reason and well structured argument. UK politics has gradually evolved to ensure a fairer more inclusive society and I for one am determined that progress will be continued. The kind of politics promoted by the likes of Farage, Rees Mogg, Cash et al is an affront to decency and to me. I see it in the USA with Trump and I don't want it established here. Fortunately I see a very much smaller group of people here who are in the bubble of believing in Trump like solutions than in the USA. There is a small hard core, of which you are one, and a current softer outer circle because of Brexit, who will drift away to the centre again once this is all over. It won't be us as individuals who will decide. It will be at the ballot box. I will be doing my best never fear. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 11.55am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You lived in a council house?

Of course, we had it tough.

You are very self righteous Wisbech, whether you realise it or not.

No problem. We all have to evolve as human beings.

I don't really expect you to change your mind because of internet discussions but it does help me reinforce my resolve to resist at all costs the kind of attitudes that people like you promote.

I didn't say I had it tough. Having witnessed real poverty elsewhere in the world by people who still manage to stay happy I, and just about everyone else in the UK, have nothing to complain about.

I was responding to the suggestion I was middle class and "entitled" when my background is far from that.

Perhaps I am self righteous but that's grown over the years with my confidence, which was sadly lacking in my youth. I am confident of my opinions and not intimidated by others, no matter if I am in a minority of one. When I see bs I say so. If it makes anyone stop and think then I am happy.

I don't expect to change your mind either. As my "attitude" is to resist any drift towards a divided, untruthful, selfish, uncaring society, which takes us backwards, I see any determination to resist it something which itself needs to be fiercely resisted, by reason and well structured argument. UK politics has gradually evolved to ensure a fairer more inclusive society and I for one am determined that progress will be continued. The kind of politics promoted by the likes of Farage, Rees Mogg, Cash et al is an affront to decency and to me. I see it in the USA with Trump and I don't want it established here. Fortunately I see a very much smaller group of people here who are in the bubble of believing in Trump like solutions than in the USA. There is a small hard core, of which you are one, and a current softer outer circle because of Brexit, who will drift away to the centre again once this is all over.

It won't be us as individuals who will decide. It will be at the ballot box. I will be doing my best never fear.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 12.01pm
Originally posted by Park Road Better things to do, yet still needed to reply. (another l love the sound of myself example) Wrong. I just prefer truth to lies, or distortions because of poor understanding. Isn't lodged in your conscientiousness. (another example of your excuses) See above. You are becoming or are very predictable You are not obliged to read, or comment, on my replies. I won't be offended. Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 4.53am) Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.02pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Better things to do, yet still needed to reply.
(another l love the sound of myself example)

Wrong. I just prefer truth to lies, or distortions because of poor understanding.

Isn't lodged in your conscientiousness. (another example of your excuses)

See above.

You are becoming or are very predictable

You are not obliged to read, or comment, on my replies. I won't be offended.

Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 4.53am)

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.02pm)

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Park Road 28 Apr 19 12.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.02pm) Wrong. I just prefer truth to lies, or distortions because of poor understanding You obviously don't understand yourself... Or refuse to... "Wrong" seems to be your it word at the moment... As said predictable
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28 Apr 19 12.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.02pm)

Wrong. I just prefer truth to lies, or distortions because of poor understanding

You obviously don't understand yourself...
Or refuse to...

"Wrong" seems to be your it word at the moment...

As said predictable

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 12.17pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 But it goes back to principles. On a 2 answer question the majority of mps from labour & Tories should be falling in line with their manefesto "Wish list" It's like voting UKIP and their mp's says we should remain. Why? MPs have ears, eyes and brains and we expect them to use them. If what they perceive is available to us is not what we thought was going to be available to us then it's their duty to react and not act like sheep. As UKIP don't have any MPs that analogy doesn't work but you have ERG supporting members, who think like UKIP and haven't changed their minds, but they aren't in a majority. 90% of MP's are liars. There is a big difference between deliberate lies and spinning a story to paint a picture. Politics is not a Court in which the whole truth and nothing but the truth be told. Being "economical with the truth" is a political tool used by them all. That much is true. They do that to move their agenda forward because politics has always been "the art of the possible" which demands compromises. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.18pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 12.17pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Why? MPs have ears, eyes and brains and we expect them to use them. If what they perceive is available to us is not what we thought was going to be available to us then it's their duty to react and not act like sheep.

As UKIP don't have any MPs that analogy doesn't work but you have ERG supporting members, who think like UKIP and haven't changed their minds, but they aren't in a majority.

90% of MP's are liars.

There is a big difference between deliberate lies and spinning a story to paint a picture. Politics is not a Court in which the whole truth and nothing but the truth be told. Being "economical with the truth" is a political tool used by them all. That much is true. They do that to move their agenda forward because politics has always been "the art of the possible" which demands compromises.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.18pm)

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Park Road 28 Apr 19 12.20pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.02pm) You are not obliged to read, or comment, on my replies. I won't be offended. It makes laugh when people like you are always trying to explain yourselves. Your reasons or explanations are meant to clarify your intentions.(letting me know that you won't be offended by me is a prime example) However, they become justifications or excuses instead, and are completely unnecessary and uncalled for, considering that the person you’re talking to doesn’t care Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 12.21pm)
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28 Apr 19 12.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Apr 2019 12.02pm)

You are not obliged to read, or comment, on my replies. I won't be offended.

It makes laugh when people like you are always trying to explain yourselves.
Your reasons or explanations are meant to clarify your intentions.(letting me know that you won't be offended by me is a prime example) However, they become justifications or excuses instead, and are completely unnecessary and uncalled for, considering that the person you’re talking to doesn’t care

Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 12.21pm)

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