Rather sweeping statements for your summary from a 'newbie' NJ CLOCTOWER

And rather partisan expressions of why resolution has thus far failed.

I am more concerned with the human tragedy that most countries seem to be allowing to unfold, except in the case of the USA, where they are actually assisting in genocide of the Palestinian people.

These are non-combatant families who have had family members and friends killed, homes and livelihoods destroyed by military action, and now being subjected to a slow death, via exposure, starvation and deprivation of medical aid.

The Western world offers words of platitude and long-term resolvent, but we know any help will be far too little and way too late.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (01 Apr 2024 9.52am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

Of course I don't agree with the indoctrination of children's minds. I don't agree with it in many forms, including this country but it happens whether I like it or not.

As for what goes on there....Sure, there are plenty of quite frankly horrible people both Jewish and Palestinian. However, that's the nature of a blood feud.

However, I understand why it happens. I don't have to like it or agree with it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You have strong opinions on the creation of Israel and the ongoing conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. I can provide you with some historical context and different perspectives.

The establishment of Israel in 1948 was a result of complex historical, political, and religious factors. It involved the displacement of many Palestinians who lost their homes and land, and this continues to be a significant source of tension and conflict in the region.

Regarding the situation in Ukraine and the conflict with Russia, it is a complex geopolitical issue with no easy solutions. As I said before I am biased against the Russians as a first generation Pole. Different people have different opinions on how the situation should be resolved. Some argue for the Ukrainians to fight against Russian aggression which is basically what we are seeing here, while others believe that negotiations and compromises are necessary to achieve peace.

It is true that power dynamics and violence have often influenced the establishment and maintenance of borders throughout history. However, there are also instances where peaceful negotiations and diplomatic efforts have successfully resolved conflicts and led to fair agreements.

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Hamas "living the life of Reilly" Cowardly, Hamas leaders have sought refuge in Qatar, where their leaders maintain offices and reside. Attending, the football world cup. Owning yachts, going to extravagant parties. Meanwhile their people are suffering.

Qatar has played a role in hosting various Palestinian factions, including Hamas, in an effort to support a Palestinian unity government. Qatar's hosting of Hamas leaders draws my criticism and from some parties who argue that it provides them with a safe haven while Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank face various challenges and conflicts, including political, social, and economic issues. Including, a war Hamas started. Which everyone seems to forget.

Hamas is also backed by Iran. which means if you support them you don't like women gays or lgbtq community.

Israel is the only free democracy in that region. It has legalized gay marriage it gives free education as far as I know to all its citizens including Arabs. Which is what Palestinians really are.

Personally myself, I don't want another Islamic state. That's going backwards in my opinion.

And let's not forget all the hostages who have to hear, from vape laughing captors who are no doubt winding them up about it on how the world has forgotten about them and how somehow a terrorist group has managed to manipulate the world into believing that they are the victims.

Yes ,the bombing is horrific. what is happening in Palestine now is not human.

However, how would you look like Israel to respond ?would you like them to respond proportionally for example?

This means that they go into Palestine. They interrupt a party or a outside festival. They shoot people indiscriminately. They go to a town and knock down every door house by house shooting wives ,husbands, babies, children and then posting them back to their mothers.

And finally for good measure take some hostages.

Well! these are not the type of people that I want to run a country and anybody who does well that's your opinion.

Before the immigration allowed by the ruling British after WW1 the population of Palestine had been mostly Islamic for hundreds of years....a little case of the Ottoman empire don't you know.

You seem to be presenting it as a picture of a 'little bit of this, a little bit of that'.....We looked into this, while that region has been ruled by many different rulers the population has been largely Islamic because of that long term affect.

The fact that Jews and Christians have been there was never contested.

Oh and this implication that I should support the Israeli administration rather than the Palestinians (I don't really support either of their leaders, just the good individuals) does kind of require a lack of historical knowledge on the matter.

Incoming Jews to Palestine after didn't just build new homes and look to integrate did they....After world war 2 once they felt strong enough, they hung two British sergeants and bombed an hotel of British soldiers to get us to leave Palestine....after which they really got to work.

By the way the leader of the terrorist group that killed those British soldiers later became Israeli PM in the 70s.

Lovely stuff.

Those British soldiers strangled and bombed to death deserve far more memory than we have given them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Apr 2024 1.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You are seriously equating Hamas with the UK Government?

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.