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 Stirlingsays  24 Aug 23 8.23pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
What Humza Yousaf is quoted to have said here is quite incredible. It amounts to, we will decide on what's 'hate' and not.....This is 'trust me bro' policy....pick and choose who we criminise for expressed thought. The reality is that it's about criminising their opposition....this has been the road the left/social liberals are on for quite a while now....it started in the US and it's being done here. These are laws that are in direct opposition to civil liberties and nothing but power grabs. The 'hate' word has always been used to justify this crap. The problem is the sheer weight of useful idiots who think it's not their problem. 'To those who think they may accidentally somehow fall foul of the law... because they believe sex is immutable, or they believe an adult man cannot become a female or they campaign for the rights of Palestinians... or those that proselytise that same-sex relationships are sinful, none of these people would fall foul of the stirring up of hatred offence for solely stating their belief - even if they did so in a robust manner. 'Why? Because solely stating any belief, which I accept may be offensive to some, is not breaching the criminal threshold. This bill makes clear that we are listening to the victims of hate crime.' I stated earlier that words can be used to justify anything and most of us understand that the foundation of 1984 is being built before our eyes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2023 8.26pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Aug 23 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? Unrelated to homes being private places? OK. No unrelated to Covid certificates. Covid being what this thread is about and not about any limitations on free speech.
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Teddy Eagle  24 Aug 23 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No unrelated to Covid certificates. Covid being what this thread is about and not about any limitations on free speech. It's not about redundancy payments either but you were fine with that. The point was in answer to your assertion that homes are private places which in some instances they patently aren't.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Aug 23 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I don’t suppose you have done this deliberately but this matter has nothing to do with the subject and just look what the diversion has achieved! A hobby-horse has been saddled up and is once again racing down the track of undisguised prejudice. I remember this of course. It was a well discussed bill but the concentration was all on the protection for those wishing to self identify. The removal of the “private space” defence went unnoticed. Indeed from a cursory reading some amendments appear to have been accepted to reassure people that their right to express themselves freely won’t be compromised. I don’t think there is any intention to do that. The intention is to protect people from hatred. Views can be expressed without any hate being on show. Only time will tell how the Act is interpreted.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Aug 23 9.31pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's not about redundancy payments either but you were fine with that. The point was in answer to your assertion that homes are private places which in some instances they patently aren't. The point about them being private was specifically and exclusively regarding the need for Covid certificates in them. Which was just a silly idea. The only places where such certificates could have had a role were commercial publicly shared spaces. It did though have some connection to the topic. I answered your story about redundancy with one of mine in support. Too lengthy by far I concede.
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| Teddy Eagle 24 Aug 23 9.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t suppose you have done this deliberately but this matter has nothing to do with the subject and just look what the diversion has achieved! A hobby-horse has been saddled up and is once again racing down the track of undisguised prejudice. I remember this of course. It was a well discussed bill but the concentration was all on the protection for those wishing to self identify. The removal of the “private space” defence went unnoticed. Indeed from a cursory reading some amendments appear to have been accepted to reassure people that their right to express themselves freely won’t be compromised. I don’t think there is any intention to do that. The intention is to protect people from hatred. Views can be expressed without any hate being on show. Only time will tell how the Act is interpreted. The removal of the private space defence certainly didn't go unnoticed. It was the reason for the objections to the bill and the reason it was presented to counter the contention that the home is a private space.
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| Teddy Eagle 24 Aug 23 9.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point about them being private was specifically and exclusively regarding the need for Covid certificates in them. Which was just a silly idea. The only places where such certificates could have had a role were commercial publicly shared spaces. It did though have some connection to the topic. I answered your story about redundancy with one of mine in support. Too lengthy by far I concede.
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 georgenorman 24 Aug 23 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
There's a simple solution. If you don't think a post has any relevance then don't answer it. He does that already - he has ignored the question as to whether he has been a defendant in a Crown Court.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Aug 23 10.58pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I ignore lots of posts, and threads, I believe irrelevant. Sometimes though I feel irrelevance needs to be pointed out.
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| Teddy Eagle 24 Aug 23 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I ignore lots of posts, and threads, I believe irrelevant. Sometimes though I feel irrelevance needs to be pointed out. The Suriname toad has a pointed head.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Aug 23 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
He does that already - he has ignored the question as to whether he has been a defendant in a Crown Court. Not ignored. Not noticed. I could have ignored it though as it has no connection to this topic. The answer is though no. Though why you want to either know or think it’s any business of yours defeats me.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Aug 23 11.08pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The removal of the private space defence certainly didn't go unnoticed. It was the reason for the objections to the bill and the reason it was presented to counter the contention that the home is a private space. It went unnoticed by me. Which was what I was talking about
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