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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 19 9.58am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Are there 'diverse' location points then? I've lived all my life in 'diverse' locations. I don't have the money to re-locate to a practically all white wealthy area like you have. FYI there is a Mosque withing a mile of my home. Cornwall is far from a "wealthy area"! Yes, it has a larger than average number of retirees coming here after selling their homes in expensive areas, especially London and the south east, but that's because of the environment and the fact that they need to bank some money to be ready to pay for care. The local economy is far from "wealthy". It is happy, welcoming and kind though, which are qualities I enjoy, as do all the people here whatever their background. A person isn't known by their words, but by their deeds. Perhaps you are projecting onto Robinson from non diverse Cornwall. I mean this is a home you choose to locate to when you could have actually ended your days surrounded by the diversity you claim to love. Perhaps you have taken what you wanted from 'diverse' areas before selecting the homogeneous wealthy area you so predictably ended with. But the Luton boy Robinson is the 'racist' in your eyes. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2019 12.50am) I could have "ended my days" in a great number of places. There is actually a very interesting and diverse environment here but although my home is here I still travel a lot and will soon be back in Asia for a while. I have no interest at all in where Robinson comes from. It is what he says, how he says it and the impact his style of divisive rabble rousing rhetoric has on those with a racist predilection which concerns me. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 19 9.58am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Are there 'diverse' location points then? I've lived all my life in 'diverse' locations. I don't have the money to re-locate to a practically all white wealthy area like you have.

FYI there is a Mosque withing a mile of my home.
Cornwall is far from a "wealthy area"! Yes, it has a larger than average number of retirees coming here after selling their homes in expensive areas, especially London and the south east, but that's because of the environment and the fact that they need to bank some money to be ready to pay for care. The local economy is far from "wealthy". It is happy, welcoming and kind though, which are qualities I enjoy, as do all the people here whatever their background.

A person isn't known by their words, but by their deeds. Perhaps you are projecting onto Robinson from non diverse Cornwall. I mean this is a home you choose to locate to when you could have actually ended your days surrounded by the diversity you claim to love. Perhaps you have taken what you wanted from 'diverse' areas before selecting the homogeneous wealthy area you so predictably ended with.

But the Luton boy Robinson is the 'racist' in your eyes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2019 12.50am)

I could have "ended my days" in a great number of places. There is actually a very interesting and diverse environment here but although my home is here I still travel a lot and will soon be back in Asia for a while.

I have no interest at all in where Robinson comes from. It is what he says, how he says it and the impact his style of divisive rabble rousing rhetoric has on those with a racist predilection which concerns me.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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dannyboy1978 26 Apr 19 10.10am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I could have "ended my days" in a great number of places. There is actually a very interesting and diverse environment here but although my home is here I still travel a lot and will soon be back in Asia for a while. I have no interest at all in where Robinson comes from. It is what he says, how he says it and the impact his style of divisive rabble rousing rhetoric has on those with a racist predilection which concerns me. Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson?
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dannyboy1978

26 Apr 19 10.10am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson?

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 19 10.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I could have "ended my days" in a great number of places. There is actually a very interesting and diverse environment here but although my home is here I still travel a lot and will soon be back in Asia for a while. I have no interest at all in where Robinson comes from. It is what he says, how he says it and the impact his style of divisive rabble rousing rhetoric has on those with a racist predilection which concerns me. Odd that you are so concerned about Robinson but have never posted about your concern about Islamists preaching hate against your own people for example. It's that imbalance which makes me very suspicious of people like yourself. You seem more preoccupied with virtue signaling and ideological top trumps than what is really happening in the world. Has any follower of Tommy Robinson blown up hundreds of people with suicide vests recently? Robinson is just the whipping boy for the yell racist brigade of which you are one. What he is or isn't is not really that important. You are not interested in whether there is any validity in his stance or not.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have no interest at all in where Robinson comes from. It is what he says, how he says it and the impact his style of divisive rabble rousing rhetoric has on those with a racist predilection which concerns me.

Odd that you are so concerned about Robinson but have never posted about your concern about Islamists preaching hate against your own people for example.

It's that imbalance which makes me very suspicious of people like yourself. You seem more preoccupied with virtue signaling and ideological top trumps than what is really happening in the world.
Has any follower of Tommy Robinson blown up hundreds of people with suicide vests recently?

Robinson is just the whipping boy for the yell racist brigade of which you are one. What he is or isn't is not really that important. You are not interested in whether there is any validity in his stance or not.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 19 10.54am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Odd that you are so concerned about Robinson but have never posted about your concern about Islamists preaching hate against your own people for example. It's that imbalance which makes me very suspicious of people like yourself. You seem more preoccupied with virtue signaling and ideological top trumps than what is really happening in the world. Has any follower of Tommy Robinson blown up hundreds of people with suicide vests recently? Robinson is just the whipping boy for the yell racist brigade of which you are one. What he is or isn't is not really that important. You are not interested in whether there is any validity in his stance or not. If you really looked you would find plenty of condemnation of terrorism from me and my support for rigorous action to deal with it. That includes anyone speaking out in support of, or encouraging those who would commit such crimes. What I don't, and will not do, is condemn anyone peace loving just because of their religious beliefs. It is the divisive nature of wanting to put everyone who happens to have been born a Muslim into the same box as those who are extremists. Such an attitude is no better than condemning every Christian just because the IRA sprang from Roman Catholic roots. It is that stance that I object to. Remove the religious connections and condemn the criminals, whatever their background, and nothing is wrong. Mention religion and it is. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 19 10.54am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Odd that you are so concerned about Robinson but have never posted about your concern about Islamists preaching hate against your own people for example.

If you really looked you would find plenty of condemnation of terrorism from me and my support for rigorous action to deal with it. That includes anyone speaking out in support of, or encouraging those who would commit such crimes.

What I don't, and will not do, is condemn anyone peace loving just because of their religious beliefs. It is the divisive nature of wanting to put everyone who happens to have been born a Muslim into the same box as those who are extremists.

Such an attitude is no better than condemning every Christian just because the IRA sprang from Roman Catholic roots.

It is that stance that I object to. Remove the religious connections and condemn the criminals, whatever their background, and nothing is wrong. Mention religion and it is.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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W12 26 Apr 19 10.59am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson? I would also like to see this. Perhaps something wildly out of context?
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W12 26 Apr 19 10.59am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson?

I would also like to see this. Perhaps something wildly out of context?

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dannyboy1978 26 Apr 19 11.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If you really looked you would find plenty of condemnation of terrorism from me and my support for rigorous action to deal with it. That includes anyone speaking out in support of, or encouraging those who would commit such crimes. What I don't, and will not do, is condemn anyone peace loving just because of their religious beliefs. It is the divisive nature of wanting to put everyone who happens to have been born a Muslim into the same box as those who are extremists. Such an attitude is no better than condemning every Christian just because the IRA sprang from Roman Catholic roots. It is that stance that I object to. Remove the religious connections and condemn the criminals, whatever their background, and nothing is wrong. Mention religion and it is. Could you give an example of putting every muslim In the same box?
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dannyboy1978

26 Apr 19 11.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What I don't, and will not do, is condemn anyone peace loving just because of their religious beliefs. It is the divisive nature of wanting to put everyone who happens to have been born a Muslim into the same box as those who are extremists.

Such an attitude is no better than condemning every Christian just because the IRA sprang from Roman Catholic roots.

It is that stance that I object to. Remove the religious connections and condemn the criminals, whatever their background, and nothing is wrong. Mention religion and it is.

Could you give an example of putting every muslim In the same box?

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Pussay Patrol 26 Apr 19 12.08pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson? So you agree he's racist then? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

26 Apr 19 12.08pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson?

So you agree he's racist then?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Park Road 26 Apr 19 12.14pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol So you agree he's racist then? He asked you a question! Answer it!
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Park Road

26 Apr 19 12.14pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So you agree he's racist then?

He asked you a question! Answer it!

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Pussay Patrol 26 Apr 19 12.16pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Could you give an example of putting every muslim In the same box? From the article "he has been filmed making remarks including “Somalis are backward barbarians”, calling British Muslims “enemy combatants who want to kill you, maim you and destroy you”, and claiming refugees are “raping their way through the country”. Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

26 Apr 19 12.16pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Could you give an example of putting every muslim In the same box?

From the article

"he has been filmed making remarks including “Somalis are backward barbarians”, calling British Muslims “enemy combatants who want to kill you, maim you and destroy you”, and claiming refugees are “raping their way through the country”.

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 19 12.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If you really looked you would find plenty of condemnation of terrorism from me and my support for rigorous action to deal with it. That includes anyone speaking out in support of, or encouraging those who would commit such crimes. What I don't, and will not do, is condemn anyone peace loving just because of their religious beliefs. It is the divisive nature of wanting to put everyone who happens to have been born a Muslim into the same box as those who are extremists. Such an attitude is no better than condemning every Christian just because the IRA sprang from Roman Catholic roots. It is that stance that I object to. Remove the religious connections and condemn the criminals, whatever their background, and nothing is wrong. Mention religion and it is. We actually agree on this. I think the problem here is that we don't really experience, for example, Christian extremism of the kind that threatens us. However. we do experience Islamic extremism here in Britain and worldwide. Of course, it is illogical to blame every Muslim for the deeds of extremists but the painful truth is that the existence of these people among us leads to the immediate danger just in the same way that the clash of Catholic and Protestant lead to the IRA bombings. At least they had a cause that was practical and not purely ideological. It's obvious that when one group in society produces extremists that threaten life and lifestyle then that group as a whole will be treated with suspicion and some resentment. It is purely about self-preservation. To start yelling racist is anti intellectual. It shows no understanding of the natural human desire to protect and feel safe from perceived danger. All Irish Catholics were not in the IRA but back in the dark times, an Irish accent in England was reason enough for suspicion. Such an attitude was born from self preservation and the knowledge that extremist had sympathisers who would never deliver a bomb themselves but probably knew someone who might. It had nothing to do with 'racism' then and it doesn't now. I am partly Irish but I was no different back then. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2019 12.36pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

26 Apr 19 12.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Such an attitude is no better than condemning every Christian just because the IRA sprang from Roman Catholic roots.

It is that stance that I object to. Remove the religious connections and condemn the criminals, whatever their background, and nothing is wrong. Mention religion and it is.

We actually agree on this.

I think the problem here is that we don't really experience, for example, Christian extremism of the kind that threatens us. However. we do experience Islamic extremism here in Britain and worldwide.
Of course, it is illogical to blame every Muslim for the deeds of extremists but the painful truth is that the existence of these people among us leads to the immediate danger just in the same way that the clash of Catholic and Protestant lead to the IRA bombings. At least they had a cause that was practical and not purely ideological.

It's obvious that when one group in society produces extremists that threaten life and lifestyle then that group as a whole will be treated with suspicion and some resentment. It is purely about self-preservation.

To start yelling racist is anti intellectual. It shows no understanding of the natural human desire to protect and feel safe from perceived danger.

All Irish Catholics were not in the IRA but back in the dark times, an Irish accent in England was reason enough for suspicion. Such an attitude was born from self preservation and the knowledge that extremist had sympathisers who would never deliver a bomb themselves but probably knew someone who might.

It had nothing to do with 'racism' then and it doesn't now. I am partly Irish but I was no different back then.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2019 12.36pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 19 12.40pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol So you agree he's racist then? Just between you and me. You are actually only 10 years old aren't you. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2019 12.40pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

26 Apr 19 12.40pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So you agree he's racist then?

Just between you and me.

You are actually only 10 years old aren't you.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2019 12.40pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 19 12.46pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson? Try reading what I actually said. Then read some of the other replies. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 19 12.46pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Have you got a link to a particular racist view that you don't like from tommy robinson?

Try reading what I actually said.

Then read some of the other replies.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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