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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 10 Jun 21 9.10am | |
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Originally posted by dazza
Frank Lampard is now back in contention. every manager is potentially in contention because the position is still vacant. There is no news here about Lampard or anyone else. Let's just let it play out rather than pretending anyone is ITK.
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taylors lovechild 10 Jun 21 9.12am | |
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My concerns with Cooper are that he was criticised at times last season for being tactically naïve and they somewhat stumbled into the play-offs winning only two of their last ten games. Furthermore, the main reason most people who wanted Roy replaced was because they were unhappy with the standard of the football which had become painful to watch, so why would we want a less experienced manager who has been criticised for playing football that is hard to watch? It would make no sense to me. I'm not against giving a manager with no PL experience a chance, but I would want someone who could take us in a new direction. Ismael for example plays an aggressive high pressing game which could be interesting, while France has had a few young up-and-coming managers who have lifted smaller clubs in Ligue 1 by playing fast counter-attacking football. Maybe with more money and better players Cooper will grow and prove to be a great coach and manager, but at the moment the evidence to me points towards a disaster waiting to happen. If he gets the job I'll back him and I'm a pretty patient guy, but I can't say it will fill me with any confidence. Edited by taylors lovechild (10 Jun 2021 9.12am)
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lefty27 ipswich 10 Jun 21 9.19am | |
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Originally posted by dazza
Frank Lampard is now back in contention. Is he back from holiday yet?
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Mstrobez 10 Jun 21 9.21am | |
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I still find it utterly bizarre that the sticking point was over backroom staff. 5-6 of Nuno's backroom staff have gone everywhere with him and it's a prerequisite of hiring Nuno that you also take them on. Surely this isn't something they'd throw in at the eleventh hour, unless they started deviating from the number of staff they originally agreed was required.
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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 10 Jun 21 9.23am | |
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OK, so from what we can tell at least we can all agree if we are a sample of the `fan base` then we can at least all agree that opinion of Cooper is very divided and tbh we are not going to convince each other. But it's divided in extremes from `defiantly yes` to `oh God no!` This is not a good scenario for an unproven manager to come into a club. The pressure to win the fans round, along with what he needs to to to motivate/rejuvenate the squad. Plus a step up from his division to the Prem. Plus the generally agreed fact that he plays relatively negative football which an increasingly growing proportion of the fan base were getting sick of and IMO affected the departure (rightly or wrongly) of Roy. As soon as he losses 3 or 4 games on the trot you can bet the boards on here will be full of fans baying for him to be sacked and it was a big mistake appointing him. And when that happens it's a downward spiral until he is sacked. It's looking increasingly likely that it will be one of Cooper, Lampard or Ismail. It's interesting that for all the debate about Cooper there has not been much if any for or against Ismail. I suspect Lampard could be the fall back guy if we cant get anyone else. A slim vein of hope could be the reports that Everton are wanting Benitez and their talks with Nuno also collapsed due to his backroom staff demands. If Nuno does not get the Everton job, given his desire to stay in the Prem as quickly as possible could there possibly be a bit of room to reach a compromise?
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Mstrobez 10 Jun 21 9.27am | |
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Originally posted by Mwncisee
OK, so from what we can tell at least we can all agree if we are a sample of the `fan base` then we can at least all agree that opinion of Cooper is very divided and tbh we are not going to convince each other. But it's divided in extremes from `defiantly yes` to `oh God no!` This is not a good scenario for an unproven manager to come into a club. The pressure to win the fans round, along with what he needs to to to motivate/rejuvenate the squad. Plus a step up from his division to the Prem. Plus the generally agreed fact that he plays relatively negative football which an increasingly growing proportion of the fan base were getting sick of and IMO affected the departure (rightly or wrongly) of Roy. As soon as he losses 3 or 4 games on the trot you can bet the boards on here will be full of fans baying for him to be sacked and it was a big mistake appointing him. And when that happens it's a downward spiral until he is sacked. It's looking increasingly likely that it will be one of Cooper, Lampard or Ismail. It's interesting that for all the debate about Cooper there has not been much if any for or against Ismail. I suspect Lampard could be the fall back guy if we cant get anyone else. A slim vein of hope could be the reports that Everton are wanting Benitez and their talks with Nuno also collapsed due to his backroom staff demands. If Nuno does not get the Everton job, given his desire to stay in the Prem as quickly as possible could there possibly be a bit of room to reach a compromise? I don't think it is. It's just a pushback against some of the vitriolic claptrap thrown in his direction. I'd go for Ismael but I know why Cooper may get it over him - he has demonstrated a willingness to grind out results where necessary. Ismael hasn't - predominantly because he hasn't really needed to up until this point.
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Midlands Eagle 10 Jun 21 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
I still find it utterly bizarre that the sticking point was over backroom staff. 5-6 of Nuno's backroom staff have gone everywhere with him and it's a prerequisite of hiring Nuno that you also take them on. Surely this isn't something they'd throw in at the eleventh hour, unless they started deviating from the number of staff they originally agreed was required. It looks like that is what happened. Steve Parish obviously can't comment so used his mouthpiece at The Athletic to comment on his behalf
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 10 Jun 21 9.29am | |
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Respect is the most important aspect for me, if the players respect the manager they will hit the floor running, if not could be big trouble, Cooper, Ismael don't have that, Lampard does.
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Mstrobez 10 Jun 21 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It looks like that is what happened. Steve Parish obviously can't comment so used his mouthpiece at The Athletic to comment on his behalf Well if what you claim is true (and I suspect it isn't), Steve Parish is talking garbage. There is no way on earth they would've casually thrown that in at the last second. Nuno's team has followed him everywhere, Parish & Freedman aren't morons. A more credible suggestion would be that perhaps they threw in another staff member or two in combination with a number of other outlandish demands.
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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 10 Jun 21 9.36am | |
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I do agree with you here. But IMO it does make it even more frustrating that we were not willing to push a little further to get our man. It's really not unusual for a coach to want to bring his team with him. It makes so much sense to. Originally posted by Mstrobez
Well if what you claim is true (and I suspect it isn't), Steve Parish is talking garbage. There is no way on earth they would've casually thrown that in at the last second. Nuno's team has followed him everywhere, Parish & Freedman aren't morons. A more credible suggestion would be that perhaps they threw in another staff member or two in combination with a number of other outlandish demands.
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Mstrobez 10 Jun 21 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by Mwncisee
I do agree with you here. But IMO it does make it even more frustrating that we were not willing to push a little further to get our man. It's really not unusual for a coach to want to bring his team with him. It makes so much sense to. It actually appears to be more a staff salary thing in conjunction with a number of other outlandish demands. Perhaps he was never really gonna join Palace to begin with.
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Midlands Eagle 10 Jun 21 9.41am | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
A more credible suggestion would be that perhaps they threw in another staff member or two in combination with a number of other outlandish demands. What on earth are you on about? You make a point. I effectively agree with you and then you say that I'm wrong.
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