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BeckenhamSteve Flag beckenham 20 Jun 24 8.55pm Send a Private Message to BeckenhamSteve Add BeckenhamSteve as a friend


"The tactics are a mess and if anyone should be able to recognise it, it's Palace fans because it's exactly how Hodgson set us up."

I have to agree with this. It sounds ridiculous to make comparisons between Palace and England but when Glasner took over from Hodgson he invigorated our squad and got us playing a much more aggressive and attacking game. This reminds me of how England are playing right now and we all know what happened next.

Southgate is so negative and passive when we have such a wonderful bunch of players that should be setting this tournament alight but we're going to miss out yet again. Can you imagine what Glasner would get out of this squad!

Edited by BeckenhamSteve (20 Jun 2024 8.58pm)

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 20 Jun 24 9.07pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by BeckenhamSteve


"The tactics are a mess and if anyone should be able to recognise it, it's Palace fans because it's exactly how Hodgson set us up."

I have to agree with this. It sounds ridiculous to make comparisons between Palace and England but when Glasner took over from Hodgson he invigorated our squad and got us playing a much more aggressive and attacking game. This reminds me of how England are playing right now and we all know what happened next.

Southgate is so negative and passive when we have such a wonderful bunch of players that should be setting this tournament alight but we're going to miss out yet again. Can you imagine what Glasner would get out of this squad!

Edited by BeckenhamSteve (20 Jun 2024 8.58pm)

Indeed, we have seen first hand how a different system and tactics can change a team. (A team that still included Hughes and Clyne).

We know the players are good enough, we see them every week.

Hopefully the press now can get out of Southgate's backside, and realise we've been playing with a hand break for a while now.

 

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Elpis Flag In a pub 20 Jun 24 9.15pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Southgate " we have never really replaced Calvin Phillips"

Will someone at the FA just drag this idiot somewhere he wont be found for the next month .Never had a clue as a club manager and is exposed at international level time and time again .

Just not good enough,Ive enjoyed every other game Ive watched but this was just pony and million miles away from Spain V Italy Im watching now .

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 20 Jun 24 9.51pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

A dreadful,lacklustre, lethargic performance from England.They looked totally devoid of any organisation and ideas.A dearth of movement, surrendering possession, players not playing in their best positions.
All-in-all absolute excreta.

I am not a highly paid manager, but it seems obvious to me playing Tripper at left back, means we have no attack down the left as he doesnt overlap and cross a ball, as he has to cut back. So whoever plays left wing has no support, Mitchell would be a better option. Why play a right back in midfield, who just walks around and gives the ball away constantly. They have obviously had to tactic to press the opposition as they think they are too good to do that.
Our media sense of entitlement claiming we are favourites etc is embarrassing, I expect other major teams think we are a joke.

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 20 Jun 24 10.03pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

Southgate " we have never really replaced Calvin Phillips"

Will someone at the FA just drag this idiot somewhere he wont be found for the next month .Never had a clue as a club manager and is exposed at international level time and time again .

Just not good enough,Ive enjoyed every other game Ive watched but this was just pony and million miles away from Spain V Italy Im watching now .

Spot on.

 

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Elpis Flag In a pub 20 Jun 24 10.03pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

I am not a highly paid manager, but it seems obvious to me playing Tripper at left back, means we have no attack down the left as he doesnt overlap and cross a ball, as he has to cut back. So whoever plays left wing has no support, Mitchell would be a better option. Why play a right back in midfield, who just walks around and gives the ball away constantly. They have obviously had to tactic to press the opposition as they think they are too good to do that.
Our media sense of entitlement claiming we are favourites etc is embarrassing, I expect other major teams think we are a joke.


Yes wokegate gambled on Shaw being fit and thats backfired and not to take cover was a big error . The only thing that will save our euros is a player revolt ,a change of formation and some attacking intent

 

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XKudu Flag The Midlands, England 20 Jun 24 11.00pm Send a Private Message to XKudu Add XKudu as a friend

Southgate quoting Kalvin Phillips who personified drudgery is more than worrying.

I’ve concluded it’s not Southgate’s fault. He probably knows he’s sh1t but says ‘I’m on £3m a year and will press on…’

The problem is that complete idiot Mark Bullingham ceo at FA. I knew him when he was a little lackie working on the Whitbread Round the World yacht race in the 90’s.

To think he know controls football appointments is utterly horrifying.

 

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Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 21 Jun 24 6.07am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

What’s the betting we see more lethargic passing back, sideways and occasionally forth in our own half, in reaction to his “We didn’t keep the ball” revelation?

Edited by Eaglehamster (21 Jun 2024 6.08am)

 


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MFW94 Flag Sutton 21 Jun 24 8.39am Send a Private Message to MFW94 Add MFW94 as a friend

I have tried to defend southgate long enough.

I am all for being pragmatic and conservatively if you still have the killer instinct. but on that evidence last night we wouldnt be able to do that against anyone half decent.

All of the issues arent his doing but he is the one who has to find the solutions.

Playing a RB left back, a right back CM and 10 on the wing.
Isolates Harry Kane
No controlling midfielder
Subs too late again

I felt sorry for the subs he did bring on because it didnt change anything

By far the worst ive seen Declan Rice play for england and i can only see wharton as the partner for him to suit his style.

Make sure we win the group and go again, keep the faith (albeit I am losing it more and more every game)

 

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monkey Flag Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 21 Jun 24 8.49am Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

I haven’t seen or heard the interview, but am I right in saying Southgate said they haven’t got a replacement or haven’t replaced Kalvin Phillips? has he forgotten about Wharton then?? The only difference is, Wharton actually passes forward as well

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Jun 24 9.00am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I'm full of optimism I think we will go all the way and win the Walking Football tournament.

 


One more point

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 21 Jun 24 9.11am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

I am not a highly paid manager, but it seems obvious to me playing Tripper at left back, means we have no attack down the left as he doesnt overlap and cross a ball, as he has to cut back. So whoever plays left wing has no support, Mitchell would be a better option. Why play a right back in midfield, who just walks around and gives the ball away constantly. They have obviously had to tactic to press the opposition as they think they are too good to do that.
Our media sense of entitlement claiming we are favourites etc is embarrassing, I expect other major teams think we are a joke.

I'm particularly annoying with this, Shaw hasn't played since Feb, it was clear he was a monumental risk, and would have zero fitness if he recovered.

We also saw Trippier play in both friendlies, and offer the same as he is offering in the tournament, zero. He may be a better player than Mitchell, but he's not a better left back.

And this is the trap that former England manager have fallen into and now GS is well and truly stuck in it. Squeezing players in to roles that doesn't suit them. Seemingly oblivious to the fact that it clearly doesn't work.

And don't even get be started with TAA. There are enough decent options here. Not all necessarily in the best English 11 players, but would help give more balance:
Wharton
Ward-Prowse
Ross Barkley
Dare I even say Will Hughes
Or try Rice as the 6

 

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