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silvertop Portishead 19 Dec 23 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
I find it extraordinary that a manager can avoid the holistic nature of the game and coach a side of 11 players in only one aspect of the totality of the game. Edited by southnorwoodhill (19 Dec 2023 10.59am) The empirical evidence is there if you want to find it. Success is more about not conceding than scoring. The stats you cite reveal Brighton have conceded 30 goals and us only 25. But for the injuries and teams improbably hitting form just as we play them (e.g. booed off after Bournemouth, but then look what the Cherries did next), we would have conceded a few less less, and possibly scored a few more. That would have us on course for safe mid-table.
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Eaglecoops CR3 19 Dec 23 11.58am | |
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Originally posted by monkey
Trouble is a lot of posters don’t get that with our finances or lack of them and the squad we’ve got or lack of, especially with injuries, new school football could get us relegated That’s where I wholly disagree. We could easily get relegated this season given our dire performances against very mediocre teams. Roy gets paralysed with fear when it comes to picking younger players. He has history of it so it cannot be disputed that he only trusts old pros to implement his defensive strategy. There is more than one way to utilise a squad however and that doesn’t mean relegation is a certainty because of it.
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southnorwoodhill 19 Dec 23 12.27pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
The empirical evidence is there if you want to find it. Success is more about not conceding than scoring. The stats you cite reveal Brighton have conceded 30 goals and us only 25. But for the injuries and teams improbably hitting form just as we play them (e.g. booed off after Bournemouth, but then look what the Cherries did next), we would have conceded a few less less, and possibly scored a few more. That would have us on course for safe mid-table. Sure, but as I mentioned, they have a goal difference of +3 while ours is -8. And to reiterate, they are 9 points ahead of us whilst also playing in Europe. What I can conclude from this is that scoring is actually important to one's overall position. Edited by southnorwoodhill (19 Dec 2023 12.30pm)
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Putitout Oxford 19 Dec 23 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
That’s where I wholly disagree. We could easily get relegated this season given our dire performances against very mediocre teams. Roy gets paralysed with fear when it comes to picking younger players. He has history of it so it cannot be disputed that he only trusts old pros to implement his defensive strategy. There is more than one way to utilise a squad however and that doesn’t mean relegation is a certainty because of it. For every Brighton, there are any number of clubs that tried to please people with your attitude, and have failed miserably . All three clubs relegated just last year could play, an tried to play with a bit of flare, they are in the Championship because they wouldn’t play to win in any other way. This season Burnley come up full of promise , and they do try, to play with flare .adapt or perish though . Even Forest at the moment, at home they go for it doesn’t happen though does it. .Every season has at least one club goes down like this ,Norwich , come to mind twice since we entered the league, both times trying to impress fans with your ideas of how little clubs should play even though they don’t have the means. The problem being , they tried to be entertaining many times to often, for clubs like those I mention and us that’s not how you stay in this league as long as we have.
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Croydon-Trucker 19 Dec 23 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Jacey
Surely,we have more ambition than appointing Cooper ?? Edited by Jacey (19 Dec 2023 11.39am) One would imagine so , but i think Steve seems to have a hardon for him for some reason , he was interviewed for the job before and rumour has it he turned it down .
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Eaglecoops CR3 19 Dec 23 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
For every Brighton, there are any number of clubs that tried to please people with your attitude, and have failed miserably . All three clubs relegated just last year could play, an tried to play with a bit of flare, they are in the Championship because they wouldn’t play to win in any other way. This season Burnley come up full of promise , and they do try, to play with flare .adapt or perish though . Even Forest at the moment, at home they go for it doesn’t happen though does it. .Every season has at least one club goes down like this ,Norwich , come to mind twice since we entered the league, both times trying to impress fans with your ideas of how little clubs should play even though they don’t have the means. The problem being , they tried to be entertaining many times to often, for clubs like those I mention and us that’s not how you stay in this league as long as we have. Jeez, what the hell do you mean by my attitude? Firstly you have got completely the wrong end of the stick and secondly you are so into your own mindset that you are as intransigent as Roy when it comes to looking at tools at your disposal. I’m not asking for a change in the way we play, I’m saying trust the players who are our future to play more than 10 minutes per game. I’m saying stop picking your favourites when they are clearly incapable of playing the modern game and I’m saying take the occasional risk with players who are natural in their positions rather than trying to wedge square pegs into round holes. None of that is asking for a different way to play.
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Car54 Lower Upington 19 Dec 23 2.15pm | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Sure, but as I mentioned, they have a goal difference of +3 while ours is -8. And to reiterate, they are 9 points ahead of us whilst also playing in Europe. What I can conclude from this is that scoring is actually important to one's overall position. Edited by southnorwoodhill (19 Dec 2023 12.30pm) You really must be the grumpiest poster, completely ignoring our three american backers who do not want too, or haven't got the relevant financial capabilities, try looking a the overall situation and not just the league table, Jesus Christ
There will always be rocks in the road ahead of us. They will be stumbling blocks or stepping stones; it all depends on how you use them. Friedrich Nietzsche |
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southnorwoodhill 19 Dec 23 2.35pm | |
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I've just gone through the list of games played thus far and tallied up our attempts on target according to the BBC match stats and it appears we are averaging 4 a game. This total is enhanced by good showings against Sheffield United, Wolves, and Luton. Two games we won and one we somehow contrived to lose. Edited by southnorwoodhill (19 Dec 2023 2.38pm)
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Putitout Oxford 19 Dec 23 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Jeez, what the hell do you mean by my attitude? Firstly you have got completely the wrong end of the stick and secondly you are so into your own mindset that you are as intransigent as Roy when it comes to looking at tools at your disposal. I’m not asking for a change in the way we play, I’m saying trust the players who are our future to play more than 10 minutes per game. I’m saying stop picking your favourites when they are clearly incapable of playing the modern game and I’m saying take the occasional risk with players who are natural in their positions rather than trying to wedge square pegs into round holes. None of that is asking for a different way to play. Yes it is otherwise you would be satisfied that we play as well as is possible under our present circumstances. You want a change of personal, what for to play the same way?
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Eaglecoops CR3 19 Dec 23 2.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Car54
You really must be the grumpiest poster, completely ignoring our three american backers who do not want too, or haven't got the relevant financial capabilities, try looking a the overall situation and not just the league table, Jesus Christ The post concerns the manager and not the spendthrift owners. We all know what we have and haven’t got in terms of players but how you utilise what you have is solely down to the manager.
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Eaglecoops CR3 19 Dec 23 2.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Yes it is otherwise you would be satisfied that we play as well as is possible under our present circumstances. You want a change of personal, what for to play the same way?
You are like an apologetic broken record. Just because you bang on about the same thing time and time again doesn’t make you right.
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Putitout Oxford 19 Dec 23 2.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You are like an apologetic broken record. Just because you bang on about the same thing time and time again doesn’t make you right. Fair enough, .
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